rampant rivet Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 37 minutes ago, fv1609 said: Jeremy looks pretty good in the pictures, but it was delight to experience the real thing at Caldicot & savour the detail & also meet Mrs Rivet. Well done. Always nice to meet and chat Clive, glad you approve of the MW and Mrs R 😎 great wkend at Caldicot castle wartime wheels 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rampant rivet Posted May 12, 2018 Author Share Posted May 12, 2018 Here's the tube bender I used to make the bow hoops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rampant rivet Posted May 13, 2018 Author Share Posted May 13, 2018 Nuther fun packed day in't and out of t'shed, got the timing sorted better and took the truck for a spin all seems ok. Then on with welding the bow hoops together Ground the welds flush then paint. Even painted the wheel chock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Ashby Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Looking good Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rampant rivet Posted May 26, 2018 Author Share Posted May 26, 2018 (edited) Another busy day down t'shed having missed last wkend mooting about the Beaulieu autojumble finding lots of goodies. Used a dwell meter to check the dizzy, all seems ok plus double checked the timing and stuck a vacuum gauge on the inlet manifold again and all seems good. Then pulled the truck out after it had stopped raining and got stuck into fitting the bow hoops. Having no real idea how the new canvas would sit on the rear body I left the uprights long and used blocks of wood or clamps to set their positions roughly. Little bit saggy but some adjustments will sort it. Need to stop the canvas pulling the front and rear hoops towards each other and hopefully remove some of the sag. More to do next visit 😁 must thank Frank Brown for a superb job on the canvas 😁 Edited May 26, 2018 by rampant rivet 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy1960 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Hi Jez ...Great work as always..looking good. Just a point re saggy canvas .I am no expert but thought I read somewhere the canvas should be made over size to allow for 5%(?) shrinkage.??? May be get it wet before final tweaking ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Ashby Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) 56 minutes ago, andy1960 said: Hi Jez ...Great work as always..looking good. Just a point re saggy canvas .I am no expert but thought I read somewhere the canvas should be made over size to allow for 5%(?) shrinkage.??? May be get it wet before final tweaking ? Good point well made, get it well wet then let it stand on the truck until it dries out again depending on the type of weave it may well shrink in both length and width by a noticeable amount Edited May 27, 2018 by Pete Ashby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rampant rivet Posted May 28, 2018 Author Share Posted May 28, 2018 Yes Frank allows an extra % to allow for shrinkage as per the original factory drawings, the problem is that the front and rear hoops are not exactly upright so allow for the sagging, will have to remedy this by possibly fitting hooks to tubes over the top of the side boards, but can only do that after I finalise the height of the bow hoops after the canvas has shrunk, or fit horizontal tubes to hold the tubes upright and rigid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny P Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Looking great Jeremy! I assume you have welded the angle irons on the inside of the uprights of each hoop at a later stage? They are at a fixed distance and rest on the top of the side boards and so the height of the tilt is determined? Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rampant rivet Posted May 28, 2018 Author Share Posted May 28, 2018 Hi Danny Yes I'll have the angle irons made this week but cannnot weld them to the upright tubes until the canvas has shrunk at the moment I can adjust the height up or down to suit, I hope the angle irons will help keep the tubes upright. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny P Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Jeremy, The tubes are kept right up by some horizontal tubes at the top which also prevent the canvas from hanging down to some extent. You probably know about this also but I think you should add them before the shrinkage so that tubes could function as a mould to fit the canvas properly and you do not have to strain afterwards? Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 2 hours ago, rampant rivet said: Yes Frank allows an extra % to allow for shrinkage as per the original factory drawings, the problem is that the front and rear hoops are not exactly upright so allow for the sagging, will have to remedy this by possibly fitting hooks to tubes over the top of the side boards, but can only do that after I finalise the height of the bow hoops after the canvas has shrunk, or fit horizontal tubes to hold the tubes upright and rigid. Hi Jeremy, REME Inspection Standards stated that, and I quote: 'shrinking allowance on new canvas is approx. 1.5" inches per yard along the warp of the material; whenever possible canvas should be shrunk before being made up.' Hope this is of use. regards, Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rampant rivet Posted May 28, 2018 Author Share Posted May 28, 2018 Just about to head down t'shed with a hosepipe in the van to give it a bit of a soaking 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rampant rivet Posted May 28, 2018 Author Share Posted May 28, 2018 By the time I left t'shed the canvas had shrunk by over 1/2" after two good soakings from the hosepipe, have left it to dry uncovered in't shed 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurice Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Danny on the Early drop side bodies , there are no top tubes fitted , just the 3 bows like Jeremy has made them . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Ashby Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Maurice said: Danny on the Early drop side bodies , there are no top tubes fitted , just the 3 bows like Jeremy has made them . Maurice is correct the early 15cwt's were intended as open rear bodies with a flat sheet this design feature followed through into early Canadian 11 cab CMP's 15cwts as well the idea being that the hoops could be stacked into the front loops when not in use without having side bars to unbolt and store. The addition of canvas rear covers was given a separate identifier by the Chadians who classed them as 'Vans' usually seen in the personnel, anti tank gun tractor or FFW role, Iv'e not seen this form of nomenclature used for British trucks however. Edited May 29, 2018 by Pete Ashby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rampant rivet Posted May 29, 2018 Author Share Posted May 29, 2018 (edited) Hers a pic of the front off side corner of my rear body as found Not sure there would have been a pair originally. Edited May 29, 2018 by rampant rivet Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Ashby Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Those are the storage loops one single where the front hoop remains in position and then a double behind to take the middle and rear hoops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rampant rivet Posted May 30, 2018 Author Share Posted May 30, 2018 Jus Picked these up from my mate Pete the blacksmith 😁 Will fettle these up and get them attached to the down tubes on Saturday 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurice Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Jeremy , the brackets for the tubes should be U shaped , they go over the sideboards on both sides , and are welded to the bows , a bit enological , because on the bottom of the bows they are in the rounded brackets , and dan come a bit outwards because of the thickness of the U shaped holders , these prevent as well that the bows wiggle for an backwards , the U`s are locked in place with the rectangular blocks which are bolted to the body . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rampant rivet Posted May 30, 2018 Author Share Posted May 30, 2018 (edited) Thanks for the info Maurice could you take some pictures please ? Or post a sketch to show how they made. Edited May 30, 2018 by rampant rivet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurice Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 will do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny P Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 (edited) Top tubes fitted to the hoops on these early bedfords, captured by germans in Dunkirk? Who can tell? But I have to admit that I also found some pictures without top tubes. Cheers, Danny Edited May 31, 2018 by Danny P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rampant rivet Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 Hi Danny Looks like both these trucks have "new" owners post Dunkirk, both sets of hoops look ersatz to me, I'm restoring my MW as used by the British Army so would like to get it as accurate as pos . Nice pics though, don't think I've seen the second one before. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurice Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 this is an original bow for my MWG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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