Smithy Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 An interesting find, I wonder what the message will be once it's been deciphered: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20164591 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosie Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I saw that on the news this morning ( I was sipping tea whilst sat in bed!) B Love to know what it says! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snort Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I really hope they let us know the results, it would be interesting,...........it must have been important to have been in code. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broken arrow Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Now de coded. message, please do not tell the wife were i am, yours sincerly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithy Posted November 1, 2012 Author Share Posted November 1, 2012 I saw that on the news this morning ( I was sipping tea whilst sat in bed!)B Love to know what it says! I watched it on the news as well Rosie, although I was out of my bed and just finishing my cup of tea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Was the Pigieon employed by Royal Mail by any chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248818/Hit-Jerrys-panzers--code-dead-wartime-pigeon-cracked.html Can't find original thread using "Search" facility , moderators please re-position post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry275 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Couldn't find a thread for pigeon:rotfl:.- so they have cracked the code- posted on WHonline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Please be advised :- The BBC seems to have come up with a slightly more accurate analysis of the 'interpretation' of the message carried by the pigeon - compared to the DM's attempt at reporting the result, and it's unjustified remarks about Bletchley Park: Quoted Text An encrypted World War II message found in a fire place strapped to the remains of a dead carrier pigeon may have been cracked by a Canadian enthusiast. Gord Young, from Peterborough, in Ontario, says it took him 17 minutes to decypher the message after realising a code book he inherited was the key. Mr Young says the 1944 note uses a simple World War I code to detail German troop positions in Normandy. GCHQ says it would be interested to see his findings. ... Has World War II carrier pigeon message been cracked? E-mail E-mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 There are a couple of 'Classic' Pigieon messages on record from the Great War. One was a bird carrying the message from one of the first tanks. 'Had to let the poor bird go. It was looking so miserable'. The other from a Canadian Detachment that had three birds sent to them. One returned with the message 'The other two were delicious, please ssend more'. :-D One of the first German Dictates in the Island's was the confisacation and destruction of all trained Pigieons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Will run a while yet it seems , don't believe the press , wait for Bletchley Park opinion :_ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20749632 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Is it just me, or does that explanation seem a little trite? "FNFJW - Final Note [confirming] Found Jerry's Whereabouts"? Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAFMT Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Well his assumption of the whole WW1 thing based on the spelling Serjeant is obviously out as a number of regiments retained that variation of the spelling until after WW2. Plus the fact acronyms would have been pre-determined between the sender and receiver as making them up as you went along meant the person at the other end would end up scratching their head trying to figure it out. This would mean that the code would have been a common one in use across the forces and would have been one the first things checked by GCHQ. Firstly, the bulk of his "translations" consist of saying "i know where the enemy is" in a number of different ways without -and this is the important bit- without actually saying where!. Even given the time it takes for the pigeon to fly back it's still valuable information to know where he was, far more valuable than knowing your man knew where he was. Also, the code is in blocks of 5 letters, but Mr Young insists one of them is: PABLIZ - Panzer Attack - Blitz A block that is 6 letters long. Except when you look at the original message you can clearly see that it is actually PABUZ, so clearly this man is suffering from tunnel vision/obsession denial - he so wants his solution to work he makes the evidence fit the theory and not the other way around. In fact of the eight blocks he has "decoded", three of them he has inserted words there aren't initials for. Two have been altered to fit pre-perceived outcomes, the aforementioned PABUZ and the numbers at the end. The original has 27 then a large space then 1526/6, while Mr Youngs interpretation is that it says 27/1526/6 or 15:26 on the 27th June. At least one has incorrect information, or contradicts the rest of the "translation". The opening block that is supposed to say he is in K sector, now i could be wrong, but my experience with RAF documents say they didn't have lettered sectors after the actual landings, using standard grid references or referencing nearby features. On the actual day of the invasion itself K sector would be King sector, Gold beach, but that would be irrelevant by the 27th June (if the message is indeed from that date). The other two blocks are useless instances of "i know where the enemy is". In all i think Mr Young has made a good effort, but has fallen short of the mark. EDIT: I've also just noticed that the code he gives as FNFJW actually read FNFJU on the original! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbo Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I have to say Im really not convinced by this story....he seems to have come up with a random collection of words related to the war, such as 'panzer' and 'jerry' and tried to suggest that this consitutes a message, but most of what he's come up with doesnt even make sense! Or am I missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry275 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 thanks for merging threads i just realized-oops :embarrassed: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great War truck Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I dont believe he has done anything apart from make up a few words to fit the message. If it is code how can you partially decode a message. I dont think we will ever know what was written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 The standard block has always been five caracthers. But also the addition of 'Nulls', meaningless leters either to add confusion or to make up odd blocks. If it was a feild message then most likley it would be in BATCO. or SLIDEX http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BATCO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 The standard block has always been five caracthers. But also the addition of 'Nulls', meaningless leters either to add confusion or to make up odd blocks. If it was a feild message then most likley it would be in BATCO. or SLIDEXhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BATCO Doubt it was BATCO, that was introduced in the Eighties :whistle: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Doubt it was BATCO, that was introduced in the Eighties :whistle: Roughly same system but under another name. At 02:30 after nine hours of dealing with riff raff brain not that alert , even for me! :blush: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 World War II pigeon code 'could be unbreakable' 26 December 2012 Last updated at 10:00 An encrypted World War II message found in a fire place strapped to the remains of a dead carrier pigeon remains a mystery. Top government code breakers and people around the world have attempted to crack the code. John Maguire reports. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20843647 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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