agripper Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Whilst looking at withams auction site. they is a ferret with a group of photos with 2 tanks seen in the background. Lookng at the shape of the turret thought they may be challanger 1's can anyone tell me what they are for sure and also what is to happen to them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Knowing Withams they won't have left the towing frame on by accident...my guess is that it's either knackered or has its engine sat in a puddle of its own fluids on a pallet somewhere. And they won't be cheap! Stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 They are 2 Chieftains. Was up there at the weekend and they both look a bit sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Johns Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Had a look at the Chieftans the other day, the sand camo one has what looks like a Challenger turret, welded construction? prototype turret test bed? the other one is non runner.."do not run" painted on its side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agripper Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share Posted November 16, 2009 The one with the Challanger turret , does it have a Sp reg? or a standard reg. Was wondering if anyone took any photos durring there visit to Withams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agripper Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share Posted November 16, 2009 (edited) I know not connected but had to put this up. When I was lookingh for photos of teh challanger 1 prototype found this ! Bet he was in trouble!!!!!! This one of the prototypes at Bovington. Edited November 16, 2009 by agripper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Johns Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 The one with the Challanger turret , does it have a Sp reg? or a standard reg. Was wondering if anyone took any photos durring there visit to Withams? Sorry didn't see the reg no. or have my camera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oily Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 sorry to correct you, but the sand and green? one -closest to the Ferret is not a Cheiftain:nono:, the turret is totally different, looks more like a Challenger 1....:n00b: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 sorry to correct you, but the sand and green? one -closest to the Ferret is not a Cheiftain:nono:, the turret is totally different, looks more like a Challenger 1....:n00b: Forget the turret, look at the front of the hull :n00b: :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 sorry to correct you, but the sand and green? one -closest to the Ferret is not a Cheiftain:nono:, the turret is totally different, looks more like a Challenger 1....:n00b: Sorry to correct you, but it is a Chieftain! Compare it to the one next to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienFTM Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 There are some interesting prototypes / hybrids at Bovvy: Chieftains with plain aluminium hulls as proof of concept for the Chobham shape, different power packs, engines, hulls etc. To know EXACTLY what's in the pic, a closer-up might help because there are so many possibilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 It might have a Chieftain hull but the turret is a one off -not a Challenger 1 or 2. It looks similar to an Italian Ariete turret without the bolt on super hard armour on the front faces- possibly it is an Ariete turret transfered to a Chieftain hull -the original Ariete hull was similar to that of a Vickers BAE MK7 (leopard 2). Alternatively it might be a test for a less radical replacement turret for the Challenger 1 in jordanian service as an alternative the Falcon 2 turret which is overly complex. Possibly a trial BAE systems vehicle as AlienFTM says better photos may help Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Johns Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 (edited) It might have a Chieftain hull but the turret is a one off -not a Challenger 1 or 2. It looks similar to an Italian Ariete turret without the bolt on super hard armour on the front faces- possibly it is an Ariete turret transfered to a Chieftain hull -the original Ariete hull was similar to that of a Vickers BAE MK7 (leopard 2). Alternatively it might be a test for a less radical replacement turret for the Challenger 1 in jordanian service as an alternative the Falcon 2 turret which is overly complex. Possibly a trial BAE systems vehicle as AlienFTM says better photos may help Steve I seem to remember when looking at it briefly in the rain whist waiting to be loaded. the turret appeared to have bolt on armour Edited November 17, 2009 by Nick Johns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Johns Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 (edited) Lot 259 in Withams tender sale is a MK 10 Chieftian ! Edited November 17, 2009 by Nick Johns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poptopshed Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 I'd says its the Chieftain 2000. See here on Plain military for more info. http://plain-military.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=comms&action=display&thread=2282 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agripper Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share Posted November 17, 2009 Can not seem to get that link to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Nick Johns I seem to remember when looking at it briefly in the rain whist waiting to be loaded. the turret appeared to have bolt on armour I couldn't see the bolts of the thread photo but now suspect Poptopshed is correct in that it is the BAE trial vehicle Chieftain 2000 the former Chieftain 800 turret mounted on a standard (Mk10?) hull of the Chieftain 800 hull was used as a target at Lulworth. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oily Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 ahhh! yes, I stand corrected, I was referring to the turret for my reference/identification, as in my old vehicle silhouette I.D. book, -reading down the page, the turret comes 1st!, now that I've looked again, I can make out the curved front to the glacis plate,.... I'll drop straight to the ground and do my 10 press-ups!, whats that? ...cookhouse duty too?, ...oh well at least I get extra Jam roly-poly, and custard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cladder Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 withams have told me that they dont run, drove in 9yrs ago and not run since then. They have tried to run them up, but it a no go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antar Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 withams have told me that they dont run, drove in 9yrs ago and not run since then. They have tried to run them up, but it a no go! They have been stood in the big black hangar for years, they belong to Withams not the MOD. There are 18 more Chieftain MK10S in there been there since the days of the Luggershall tenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snapper Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Definitely a Chieftain - ignore the turret. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Snapper Definitely a Chieftain - ignore the turret. Yes it is part of the Chieftain family but the advanced turret cannot be ignored- thats like saying a Cromwell and a Charioteer are the same. chieftain 2000 1.jpg (38.8 KB) From Bob Griffins Chieftain book the explaination in his book is that the turret from 56MS78 (a Chieftain 800) was fitted to a standard Mk10 hull and was used for some purpose by BAE until disposed of. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agripper Posted November 23, 2009 Author Share Posted November 23, 2009 Intersting looking animal. Wouldn't mind that one my self. Would go nice with the BARV. But dont know about the price they want for a none runner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
private mw Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 sorry to interupt but he meant the blue crew cab LDV vans :coffee: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antar Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Better picture taken today. Withams have moved all their cheiftains outside and the big black hangar is being refurbished inside. They currently have contractors cladding it inside with white cladding, including the roof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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