Big Al Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Just had a look at the tender sale at withams, the 432 that is listed looks like a bulldog, the front access hatch has been modifed and the added amour looks like it maybe, It maybe one of the develoment ones, am I right? Big Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Yes it is a Bulldog, but it's been hit by an IED. It's in a terrible state, I am surprised they have put it in a tender. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowtracdave Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 I would have thought it more appropriate the vehicle was scrapped immediately & not sold on bearing in mind what must have happened to the crew or am I being too sensitive ? D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormin Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 (edited) Doesn't look too bad in the photo. Take it they're just showing the good side in typical Witham's fashion. Edited November 8, 2008 by Marmite!! Photo removed, Copyright Withams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyFowler Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 I wouldn't want to have to remove those new side panels on my own !:sweat: In fairness to Withams they do state a viewing of the vehicle is recommended ! I hope the extra armour saved the crew from any injury ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest catweazle (Banned Member) Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Whats an IED please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 (edited) improvised explosive device (IED) is a bomb constructed and deployed in ways other than in conventional military action. They may be partially comprised of conventional military explosives, such as an artillery round, attached to a detonating mechanism. terrorist actions or in unconventional warfare by guerrillas or commando forces in a theater of operations. In the 2003–present Iraq War, IEDs have been used extensively against coalition forces and by the end of 2007 they have been responsible for approximately 40% of coalition deaths in Iraq. [1] They are also used extensively by cadres of the rebel Tamil Tiger (LTTE) organization against military and civilian targets in Sri Lanka.[2][3] IEDs are often placed on the curb of roads so as to be detonated when vehicles or pedestrians pass by, and so are sometimes also known as roadside bombs. The term IED used to describe such devices has been used within the Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) community for many years, with open-source usage as per the references below since the 1960s. The term was not, however, widely used in non-technical and media reporting before the 2003 Iraq war. Edited November 8, 2008 by gritineye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest catweazle (Banned Member) Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 improvised explosive device (IED) is a bomb constructed and deployed in ways other than in conventional military action. They may be partially comprised of conventional military explosives, such as an artillery round, attached to a detonating mechanism. The results of which sound a bit like the curry i had last night.lets hope the ocupants were ok.cheers cw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 The results of which sound a bit like the curry i had last night.hence why you are not down on the boat today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest catweazle (Banned Member) Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 hence why you are not down on the boat today? No not that Richard,its a problem similier to seasickness,slight headache.dizzieness,sudden head movements bring on nausea think it could be an ear problem.doctors havnt a clue,no doubt we will have to wait for the corroners verdict.:shocked:i can hear them now ,oh thats what it was we would never of guessed.:shake: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 No not that Richard,its a problem similier to seasickness,slight headache.dizzieness,sudden head movements bring on nauseathink it could be an ear problem.doctors havnt a clue,no doubt we will have to wait for the corroners verdict.:shocked:i can hear them now ,oh thats what it was we would never of guessed.:shake: Reminds me of what Spike Milligan wanted inscribed on his headstone ......."I told them I was ill" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest catweazle (Banned Member) Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Its a bit like that,funny it went away in africa,maybe its stress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowtracdave Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 CW - this sounds very similar to a condition my workmate has suffered from for a number of years now - meniere's disease - unfortunately incurable but controllable with diet (Particularly reduced salt intake) . Not a medical expert by any means but look it up & see what you think . Best Wishes . D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyFowler Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Dave you do realise CW has saltwater running through his veins cos he is an old seadog ! Hope the diagnosis works ! If it does you will be known as Dr.SnowtracDave :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowtracdave Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 :rofl::rofl::rofl: Been called a lot worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Johns Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Catweazle was changing a heater matrix on a P38 Range Rover. this week...most of the dashboard assy stripped out....enough to give anyone dizzy spells Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Burley Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 No not that Richard,its a problem similier to seasickness,slight headache.dizzieness,sudden head movements bring on nauseathink it could be an ear problem.doctors havnt a clue,no doubt we will have to wait for the corroners verdict.:shocked:i can hear them now ,oh thats what it was we would never of guessed.:shake: Sounds like high blood pressure.May need to go on blood thinning tablets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Burley Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Getting back on topic.That is very minor damage on the 432 compared with some of the damage I.E.D,s being used in Iraq.Someone i know in 33 Regt E.O.D got back from Iraq last year,and was surprised by the size and sophistication on some of the examples he came across.The use of mobile phones in these was a big issue for them.One was even big enough to puncture the front armour of a Challenger,with the loss of the drivers leg. Just watching a repeat yesterday of "The Marines of Lima Company".Brilliant documentary charting the tour of the company from the 25th Marine division during there tour of Iraq.The most heavily hit unit ever to tour Iraq.Looseing 14 marines in one incident,when a huge I.E.D detonated there LTV-7 Amtrac.There was literally nothing left of it.Really sad to watch.But brilliantly made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 This vehicle has an enormous hole in the floor, don't underestimate the damage! When I go on a viewing day I will take some photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antar Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 This vehicle has an enormous hole in the floor, don't underestimate the damage! When I go on a viewing day I will take some photos. It has also lost the majority of the RHS running gear but the extra armour on the outside does not apear to be touched at all, not even the paint scratched, when they were up- armoured perhaps someone forgot about the area that is damaged. More interesting is the CET next to it, complete ABRO refurb in 2001 and does not apear to have turned a track since the whole thing is "new". Engine, transmission, running gear and the whole of the driver / earth operator compartment. This vehicle should have been given to the Tank Museum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 I have since been told that the 432 was a Bulldog prototype/mockup and was blown up on purpose. They had a CET like that a few years ago, I had a look inside and everything was new. Even the batteries were charged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antar Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Batteries were flat or disconected on this one, could not tell as they had the winch rope tight over the transmission hatch, probably to stop people visiting during the tender starting it up. If I had a bit more time I would have got a jump start and had a test drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienFTM Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 They may be partially comprised of conventional military explosives, such as an artillery round, attached to a detonating mechanism. They may be composed of up to five 155mm artillery rounds. This has been shown to be enough to defeat even the armour on Challenger and Abrams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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