antarmike Posted January 27, 2009 Author Share Posted January 27, 2009 It looks very pretty, pity it isn't the right fooking size Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Unforgivable behavior and work, how did they think they would get away with it? Especially as they knew you would be checking everything even closer after the last c*ck up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted January 27, 2009 Author Share Posted January 27, 2009 They have balanced the plate, but it is too loose in the locating ring so it just moves around. Balancing means nothing, because it will never be in ther same place twice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snapper Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Mike, I think you need to write a feature on all this when it is done and the old girl is running as close to as you would like as you can get. If you can stomach going over it all again I'd welcome the chance to read it all in a Adrian Mole diary style. I hope your mohawk hasn't fallen out. You deserve a bloody medal. MB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6 X 6 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 I'm sorry to read that you have had these undeserved set backs. In my experience the most prevalent human quality I encounter is incompetence. It seems to be everywhere and I have an endless fund of similar stories to yours. When asking for something to be made I always provide good quality drawings, or a pattern, and talk through the job until I'm sure, I hope, that what's required is completely understood and they STILL cock it up. It's unbelievable. Not in every case, but fairly often, the problem stems from the job being passed on from the person one originally discussed it with to the person who actually does the work. A sort of 'Chinese Whispers' takes over but how can that be case when there are drawings, or a full scale pattern, to follow ? Mike, you will prevail but no one needs all this aggravation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted January 27, 2009 Author Share Posted January 27, 2009 And the mating part to check the fit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 (edited) They're a good bunch at Marton Dump Trucks, especially for people who still run ancient dumpers..... That is most unfortunate Mike. I've never had any machining done by them, but they have been good for spares and in-house reconditioned items (for machines they have had long experience with admittedly). In the light of your experiences I am happy to have the word "especially" removed from my statement above, but I certainly would not expect you to agree with it, given your problems. Hope you at least end up with a servicable clutch assembly out of it all, even though nothing will undo the hassle element. How did you come to be dealing with them - was the clutch assembly similar to a dumptruck unit? Edited January 27, 2009 by N.O.S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrtcrowther Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 I had trouble with the engineering company who made the mould for my metalastic coupling. Took them nearly a year to get roung to doing it and then it had to go back because the rubber company said there was no way to remove the coupling after moulding it! Then atfer all that the bloody things are a 16th of an inch smaller cos they failed to alow for the rubber contracting when they cool down. And this engineering company make moulds for the rubber company all the time. They even had the coupling to measure from. Then they charged me £400 od!:argh: And I still have to machine the couplings to fit. It would have been cheaper to buy an old milling machine and do it myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest catweazle (Banned Member) Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Your not alone,speedy cables took two years to make me matching oil pressure gauges to match the originals,then said they couldnt match the senders 24v.then said they had when i refused them.They still dont work:argh:Speedy :rofl::rofl::rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted January 28, 2009 Author Share Posted January 28, 2009 That is most unfortunate Mike. I've never had any machining done by them, but they have been good for spares and in-house reconditioned items (for machines they have had long experience with admittedly). In the light of your experiences I am happy to have the word "especially" removed from my statement above, but I certainly would not expect you to agree with it, given your problems. Hope you at least end up with a servicable clutch assembly out of it all, even though nothing will undo the hassle element. How did you come to be dealing with them - was the clutch assembly similar to a dumptruck unit? Recommended by Dave "Rotinoff" Weedon. A lot of Aveling Barfords use the same 18" twin Plate Borg and Beck, And they said thae had remanufactured Intermediaste plates for these on several occasions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Energumen Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Hi Mike, as a now retired, rank amateur in the field of mechanical engineering and restoration, I am compelled to congratulate you, not only on your obvious knowlege and improvisation, but mostly, on your undaunted application. It must be said, I would probably have given up and sought a buyer at an early stage. Well done you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 The Clutch release bearing operating arms, being machined flat after building up badly worn area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 Milling machine is a Pacific Rim copy of a Bridgeport, Cheap, but it does the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 The pair of arms back to back on a short shaft, with a common keyway, made up for this job, being drilled and reamed through to take the pins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted February 5, 2009 Author Share Posted February 5, 2009 This is what the clutch brake is supposed to look like according to the User handbook. I need to pull the wheel of to change the seal on the input shaft to the gearbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted February 5, 2009 Author Share Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) this is what I have got they have taken a much smaller clutch brake, off a gearbox with less inertia, and welded the spokes of a bored out bigger brake, to the outside diameter of the small brake. I have to use a puller, but I am not sure I want to pull from the outside, cos of the stress on the welds. (and the legs of the puller need to be 16 inches long) . I either leave the oilseal, or I make long legs for the puller, that are narrow enough to get into the slots between the two halves to pull from the OD of the small brake wheel. Edited February 5, 2009 by antarmike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted February 5, 2009 Author Share Posted February 5, 2009 Bodges 'R' Us , Basingstoke?? The joys of very limited production run vehicles???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Milling machine is a Pacific Rim copy of a Bridgeport, Cheap, but it does the job. Got to admit - I envy you the access to the machine tools!!! I spent many happy hours playing with universal mills and dividing heads when I was a toolmaker!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted February 5, 2009 Author Share Posted February 5, 2009 Not big enough to get the Intermediate plate on though, or I would have sorted it myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philb Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 .... I either leave the oilseal, or I make long legs for the puller, that are narrow enough to get into the slots between the two halves to pull from the OD of the small brake wheel. I guess: claw-special, legs-long, puller-one in number, for the use of..., coming up then? Looking forward to seeing a photo of it - and the rest of the shiny clutch stuff, when you get them to sort it out. Keep up the good work, you have moral, if not tangible, support! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted February 8, 2009 Author Share Posted February 8, 2009 Making a long leg puller took half an hour! Clutch brake wheel is now off, and I have the Oilseal out. Now to look for a replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
younggun Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 an oil seal should not be hard to source should it mike ? nice little puller u have made there . i take it that is your matador in the background Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 That is the Douglas in the Background. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted February 23, 2009 Author Share Posted February 23, 2009 Operating levers in place for a trial measurement that they are balanced., Behind this the oil seal is replaced, and the clutch brake drum is re-fitted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted February 23, 2009 Author Share Posted February 23, 2009 PROGRESS!!!! Got the intermediate plate back, and early indications are that the fit is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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