wally dugan Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 HI andy the one at Beverley is not the one at Firepower POWER but that shoud come as a no surprise as l did both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snapper Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Pat Ware sent me to cover the closure of the museum and I turned up on the day the army came to take everything away and photographed them taking the vehicles out on transporters. It was a surreal experience. There were brand new massive tank transporters = the big OSHKOSH things and the smaller Atkinsons METs and a gaggle of Fodens and other stuff. I snapped the lot. I remember these blokes pushing the Gutty into a container using a big bar on the front of a DAF truck and some planks. I saw it a couple of weeks ago at Gaydon. I got a ride in the Scammell Commander which they used to pull a few things around with. The driver was a bloke they called Corporal Jones... nice bloke. There were sad sights at Beverley. Rooms of scattered bits and piles of spares and all kinds of rubbish out the back. It was depressing. I wonder where it all went? Memories....... MB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDonovan Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 HELLO MR DONOVAN nice short clip good to see it l do not remember getting a royalty fee l expect its in the post regards wally Cheers Wally... you know... you just can't rely on the post these days !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 HI andy the one at Beverley is not the one at Firepower POWER but that shoud come as a no surprise as l did both So do we know where the Beverley one ended up? Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 THE last l heard it was still in storage with the NATIONAL ARMY MUSEUM in 1993/4 we had three ABBOTS all in for refurb l keep track of the vehicle collection that was at BEVERLEY one day l must write a book about BEVERLEY WARTS AND ALL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berna2vm Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Most of the contents of the museum were taken to Leconfield when it shut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 sorry you are wrong none of the vehicles went to leconfield from the museum the only things that where at leconfield where the transporters for fuel this is how rumours start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC 7RU Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 The vehicles became part of the National Army Museum Collection and were transferred to MoD Donnington for storage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbrook Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 A number have (strangely) ended up in private hands. Not sure how that fits with the NAMs remit to hold the (world renown) collection for the good of the nation but there you go. It is a sad affair for sure but syptomatic of the times. I will keep further opinions to myself in order to avoid getting myself into hot water! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 FACT the collection had been owned by the NATIONAL ARMY MUSEUM since 1997 after it was transfered by the MOD BY ACT OF PARLIAMENT on the 27 DECEMBER of that year l know l was involved its recorded in HANSARD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/written_answers/2000/mar/14/army-transport-museum-exhibits#S5LV0610P0_20000314_LWA_19 http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/written_answers/2000/jun/26/museum-of-army-transport-beverley#S5LV0614P0_20000626_LWA_11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 loads of military stuff getting sold these days legally and not so legally it would sem..real shame in some cases but in a good way for others... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snapper Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 The sad day I was there the stuff I saw being loaded was ALL going to Donington. Anything on show elsewhere is on loan from NAM. I'd love to see a book from Wally on the history of it all - but presumably that would have to wait until the bulk of the collection finds a settled home on display, if likely? It is an interesting subject. The politics of museums is a tangled web best avoided on forums as anywhere else. I would just like to see the stuff on display again reflecting the hard work that went into to getting it all together. MB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 THANK YOU MARK I agree with you but l was interviewed by BBC LOOK NORTH IN 1997 where l was asked my thought on the future of the museum collection how sad for me and the staff to see it come true six years later l still have a copy of that interview to remind me of both sad and happy times and good friends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbrook Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 The sad day I was there the stuff I saw being loaded was ALL going to Donington. Anything on show elsewhere is on loan from NAM. I'd love to see a book from Wally on the history of it all - but presumably that would have to wait until the bulk of the collection finds a settled home on display, if likely? It is an interesting subject. The politics of museums is a tangled web best avoided on forums as anywhere else. I would just like to see the stuff on display again reflecting the hard work that went into to getting it all together. MB Many items have been "transferred" which is not a loan it is in effect a disposal. Of course the transfer should have been (at least according to the NAMs own criteria) to a bona fide museum but that has not always been the case. Thus the collection is not what it used to be. Actually I think that it is high time the politics of museums, and this one in particular, were discussed - these items were purchased with taxpayers money, transferred to a collection by the MOD in good faith for future generations then, on the sad demise of Beverley, taken on by another publicly funded institution. I see no reason why when times are tight that some less important items should not be exchanged for funds (although that is actually disallowed I believe in the case of the NAM) but if they are then it should be on the open market as per other ex MOD items I think. Instead there has been a piecemeal whittling down and dissipation of items which does not seem to fit any declared policy or strategic intent. I am an ex senior member of the RCT/RLC and as such I feel sad that the collection is not on display. As a taxpayer I remain concerned when things mysteriously end up in private hands. Perhaps we should petition the NAM to work up a proper retention policy and let us all know what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degsy Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Whilst not doubting your word on what has happened to some vehicles have you got incontrovertible proof so that we can, perhaps, take this forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbrook Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Rather than that perhaps anyone interested might like to do their own research. The transfer policies and the like are on the NAM website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 If you go on the NATIONAL ARMY MUSEUM website look under council reports there is list going back some years the last one is for 2012 to 2013 in there is the DISPOSALS and the terms of the items disposal IE sold /transfered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbrook Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Good man Wally!! And does anyone remember seeing the advertisements for the items? Didnt think so................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Could somebody be so kind as to provide a direct link to what is suggested we read ? I have done a bit of searching and the best I can find is :- http://www.nam.ac.uk/collection/access-collection/guide-borrowing-from-national-army-museum Just wondering , you know some folks you will loan a prized tool out to and others - never ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 if you go on to the NATIONAL ARMY MUSEUM SITE click on aquisiton and disposal policy then on the left side of page up comes reports /accounts /review this brings up along list of yearly reports take your pick 2005 onwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 if you go on to the NATIONAL ARMY MUSEUM SITE click on aquisiton and disposal policythen on the left side of page up comes reports /accounts /review this brings up along list of yearly reports take your pick 2005 onwards ============= Thanks , found it now :- http://www.nam.ac.uk/about-us/reports-accounts-reviews Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_bray Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Yes it was from sea of sand , and has retired in sunny devon . Right l have now looked at a couple of books first LRDG GROUP BY R JENNER AND D LISTER reading it they mention thef 3o and chev wb also on the subject of sand chanels the one in the museum had pierce planking as far as l know it is not the type shown in the books but was around during WW 2 AS to was it from the flim sea of sand l do not know but l do not think so as far as been on display any were in the UK l would say not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peakrec Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Does anyone know where the Humber 1 ton radio body, in sand colours and the diamond t prime mover with trailer went, or who owns them ? I spent many hours looking round and loved the D day photos and models of the floating harbour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snort Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 The lovely Humber went to The East England Military Museum but has since been sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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