rupert condick Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Hi Wally this I am not certain of, but from what I have seen the Army unit did the painting, (RASC) at the discretion of the unit commander. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 If l understood your post you say the bridge plate that is the round metal plate was fitted by the army what l said is that there is photo graphic evidence that the plates were fitted in the factory and the lettering was done in some cases. by the unit but there is photographic evidence some of which has a appeared on this forum of motorcycles already lettered up awaiting to be delivered to there units WALLY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupert condick Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Hi Wally, I have this from the instruction book Army For the Middle East. 1941 Austin K2y Ambula Hi Wally, I have this from the instruction book Army For the Middle East. 1941 Austin K2y Ambulances of the 1 AACC (Queensland) the bridge weight is painted above the Bridge plate.(c1942) France 1940 Factory Pictures, No Bridge plate (c1940) Factory photograph the Ambulance does have the census number painted on it, as in post 1942 system (c1943) later Factory picture. ( c1944) These Vehicles are leaving the factory under Army control,(bridge plates filled in) the caption relating to this, says ‘they are operational, by the fitting of the bridge plate” I think this should be by painting of the bridge plate load. Taken in 1940 prototype QL, never handed over to the WD.(bridge plate blank and TAC plate) 1943, note factory workers, Bridge plates are Blank. Extra info. Bridge loading disc M.T. part no.MT1/19158. this WD part number I cannot find listed by Austin, before April 1944 (note my records are limited). For the Austin Motor company part no. 2H 3620. This part no. Appears from 1941 onwards. As you can see some early problems. Regs Rupert nces of the 1 AACC (Queensland) the bridge weight is painted above the Bridge plate.(c1942) France 1940 Factory Pictures, No Bridge plate (c1940) Factory photograph the Ambulance does have the census number painted on it, as in post 1942 system (c1943) later Factory picture. ( c1944) These Vehicles are leaving the factory under Army control,(bridge plates filled in) the caption relating to this, says ‘they are operational, by the fitting of the bridge plate” I think this should be by painting of the bridge plate load. Taken in 1940 prototype QL, never handed over to the WD.(bridge plate blank and TAC plate) 1943, note factory workers, Bridge plates are Blank. Extra info. Bridge loading disc M.T. part no.MT1/19158. this WD part number I cannot find listed by Austin, before April 1944 (note my records are limited). For the Austin Motor company part no. 2H 3620. This part no. Appears from 1941 onwards. As you can see some early problems. To conclude, the Army painted the plates or they were paint prior to being picked up. Regs Rupert sorry pics would not move over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupert condick Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Hi Wally, I have this from the instruction book Army For the Middle East. 1941 Austin K2y Ambula Hi Wally, I have this from the instruction book Army For the Middle East. 1941 Austin K2y Ambulances of the 1 AACC (Queensland) the bridge weight is painted above the Bridge plate.(c1942) France 1940 Factory Pictures, No Bridge plate (c1940) Factory photograph the Ambulance does have the census number painted on it, as in post 1942 system (c1943) later Factory picture. ( c1944) These Vehicles are leaving the factory under Army control,(bridge plates filled in) the caption relating to this, says ‘they are operational, by the fitting of the bridge plate” I think this should be by painting of the bridge plate load. Taken in 1940 prototype QL, never handed over to the WD.(bridge plate blank and TAC plate) 1943, note factory workers, Bridge plates are Blank. Extra info. Bridge loading disc M.T. part no.MT1/19158. this WD part number I cannot find listed by Austin, before April 1944 (note my records are limited). For the Austin Motor company part no. 2H 3620. This part no. Appears from 1941 onwards. As you can see some early problems. Regs Rupert nces of the 1 AACC (Queensland) the bridge weight is painted above the Bridge plate.(c1942) France 1940 Factory Pictures, No Bridge plate (c1940) Factory photograph the Ambulance does have the census number painted on it, as in post 1942 system (c1943) later Factory picture. ( c1944) These Vehicles are leaving the factory under Army control,(bridge plates filled in) the caption relating to this, says ‘they are operational, by the fitting of the bridge plate” I think this should be by painting of the bridge plate load. Taken in 1940 prototype QL, never handed over to the WD.(bridge plate blank and TAC plate) 1943, note factory workers, Bridge plates are Blank. Extra info. Bridge loading disc M.T. part no.MT1/19158. this WD part number I cannot find listed by Austin, before April 1944 (note my records are limited). For the Austin Motor company part no. 2H 3620. This part no. Appears from 1941 onwards. As you can see some early problems. To conclude, the Army painted the plates or they were paint prior to being picked up. Regs Rupert sorry pics would not move over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupert condick Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Hi Wally Having trouble with the pics. I think you can work the order out regs Rupert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 7 hours ago, rupert condick said: Hi Wally Having trouble with the pics. I think you can work the order out regs Rupert Thanks for this, it jogs a memory and asks a question. In Dundee, there was a building, now owned by the University which had what looked like divisional flash's on the stone entrance columns, is there similar guidance. My father was the Maintenance Officer and pointed them out to me, they appear to have gone now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I think this debate can go on what l will say that l cannot comment on vehicle been sent overseas wether they had details applied even less so on austrailian forces but what l can comment on those british forces in 1991 l appealed to local ex military associations for a ex army sign writer one did volunteer a recently retired sign writer his CV was as follows born 1924 started his apprenticeship 1939 called up 1942 RASC due to his previous trade he went in as sign writer what he did say was he did complete sign writing on vehicles when they arrived and on some only final small details . He came to the museum in 1991 and left in 2002 the last vehicle he did was a bedford portee his work can be seen in a number of museums in the uk including the NATIONAL ARMY MUSEUM As with anything to do with the military there will be exceptions to the rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 55 minutes ago, wally dugan said: I think this debate can go on what l will say that l cannot comment on vehicle been sent overseas wether they had details applied even less so on austrailian forces but what l can comment on those british forces in 1991 l appealed to local ex military associations for a ex army sign writer one did volunteer a recently retired sign writer his CV was as follows born 1924 started his apprenticeship 1939 called up 1942 RASC due to his previous trade he went in as sign writer what he did say was he did complete sign writing on vehicles when they arrived and on some only final small details . He came to the museum in 1991 and left in 2002 the last vehicle he did was a bedford portee his work can be seen in a number of museums in the uk including the NATIONAL ARMY MUSEUM As with anything to do with the military there will be exceptions to the rules Hope he got the recognition he deserved, sign writers frequently did not, I knew one who was in the RAF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Was the building in BELL STREET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, wally dugan said: Was the building in BELL STREET No Perth Road, opposite Harris Academy. Which building are you thinking of in Bell Street? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 the headquarters ROYAL ARTILLERY TA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, wally dugan said: the headquarters ROYAL ARTILLERY TA Is that Perth Road or Bell Street? I take it you were there at some point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 from my list the following were at some time in bell street 51st highland RASC and RAMC ROYAL ARTILLERY up to post ww2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupert condick Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 i Wally managed To sort the pics out New Vehicles leaving the factory under Army control, bridge plates painted. New Vehicles leaving the factory under civilian control. Bridge plate blank. bedford QL under test Civilian control.(never issued to the WD) best I have. Refer to book 27954/SD2b, Middle East. for correct bridge plate markings, ( and other. stuff) regs Rupert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 12 hours ago, wally dugan said: from my list the following were at some time in bell street 51st highland RASC and RAMC ROYAL ARTILLERY up to post ww2 The University of Abertay may be the building, the original entrance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 8 hours ago, rupert condick said: i Wally managed To sort the pics out New Vehicles leaving the factory under Army control, bridge plates painted. New Vehicles leaving the factory under civilian control. Bridge plate blank. bedford QL under test Civilian control.(never issued to the WD) best I have. Refer to book 27954/SD2b, Middle East. for correct bridge plate markings, ( and other. stuff) regs Rupert Rupert i am not sure of the point you are trying to make here. Top photo is of the work done by Pearson’s of Liverpool. They assembled and prepared vehicles for the Allies that were shipped into the docks from US and Canada. the photo of the Bedford QLB gun tractor shows it with trade plates belonging to Vauxhall Motors, the makers. What makes you think this vehicle was never issued to the army? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 l think you are right my visit to that area was to another public official body in connection to several incidents concerning a ex military land rover that was using military style plates at several locations in Scotland at that time as far apart as Edinburgh and Oban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupert condick Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 On 6/5/2019 at 4:07 PM, Richard Farrant said: Rupert i am not sure of the point you are trying to make here. Top photo is of the work done by Pearson’s of Liverpool. They assembled and prepared vehicles for the Allies that were shipped into the docks from US and Canada. the photo of the Bedford QLB gun tractor shows it with trade plates belonging to Vauxhall Motors, the makers. What makes you think this vehicle was never issued to the army? Hi Richard, the topic Wally raised, was if there was photographic evidence that factories painted in the bridge plate wights,the pictures show new issued vehicles, one under army control and one under civilian control. according to the book After the War was over, (about Pearsons of Liverpool) the picture of the Bedford QL(prototype) page 43 sates "this "Test"vehicle was never handed over to the war office" the bridge plate not painted in, it can be seen in the book that even refurbished vehicles had blank Bridge plates ( but not in all cases) regs rupert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 RUPERT in your post 15 april you say the bridge plates were fitted by the army and l replied that was not the case and there was /is photographic evidence to show the plates on vehicles while still in the factory you now are talking about the painting of the bridge classification number not as far as l can see the same subject Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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