JoelH Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 (edited) So I have been watching a series called Jericho (very good). There was is an M1 Abrams in one episode, but it didn't look right and it sounded familiar. Here it is: Can anyone spot any problems with this Vehicle.... Edited February 20, 2011 by JoelH Changed the wording "Fake" to "Visual Modification" as term conveys the wrong message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 A quick guess that it is a Centurion, ex-Australian, made up for a film in the US, forgotten the name now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoelH Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 Centurion, with a central driving position? Isn't it a Chieftain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrynevuk Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Not enough road wheels--and they're too large Tracks are not correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 They look like Chieftains to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 (edited) Centurion, with a central driving position? Isn't it a Chieftain? Drivers position looks to be off centre to the right. Made up for the film "Courage Under Fire" if I am not mistaken. Cents were supplied by Combat Vehicles Australia. Edited February 18, 2011 by Richard Farrant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afvnut75 Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Unmistakeable chieftain running gear and gun barrels ! Thats where all the chieftains have gone grrrrrr Now where did i put my passport ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landyandy Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 deffinatly chieftains Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Richard Farrant Isn't it a Chieftain? Drivers position looks to be off centre to the right. Chieftain; I think your belief that the drivers station is off centre is an optical illusion -they are undoubtably Chieftain and a comparatively light touch conversion- even the original suspension plates have been retained -slightly modified, The barrel is a real give away -i'm looking at a photo of a Viberts M1 ex Cent mk5/1 the fume extractor is nearer the turret, gun is shorter, side plate cover the whole of the suspension but continue up to meet the horizontal walkways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoelH Posted February 19, 2011 Author Share Posted February 19, 2011 Interestingly this topic has been raised on a number of forums - the same vehicles have been used on a great deal of films (Jarhead...), the other forums have also labelled them as Centurions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 they're chieftains and 2 were for sale on us ebay about 2 or 3 months ago but i can't remember the asking price but i do remember them as being quite convincing reproductions. eddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Fruitbat .....the other forums have also labelled them as Centurions. Doesn't mean that because other furums say something that it is right. Below is a poor photo I am including for the purposes of making the point -these are the converted Australian Centurions of which there were 12. you will notice even with the poor quality of the photo that they are significantly different from those shown in post#1 of this thread. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 I think your belief that the drivers station is off centre is an optical illusion -they are undoubtably Chieftain Thanks for the correction.........thats what comes of posting when I'm nearly asleep :embarrassed: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrynevuk Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 So I have been watching a series called Jericho (very good). There was is an M1 Abrams in one episode, but it didn't look right and it sounded familiar. You said it sounded familiar--youd definately know it was a cheiftain from the sound! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteor mark 4B Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Looking at the tracks and driving position I would say there are/were Chieftains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diver99 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 British Chieftain Tanks/ M1 Abrams 2 to choose from. These are 2 British Chieftain main battle tanks that were converted by the Movie industry at great expense to look like the US M1 Abrams main battle tank which are not available for private use. They are both in good condition, they run, operate and look very sharp. Weight is 55 Tons, length ( with gun forward ) 35' 5", length of Hull 24' 8", width 11' 9" height (overall ) 9' 6". These are a good investment at $69,000.00 ea., 1st. buyer gets to choose , so hurry. Location: Aqua Dulce, Cal. 91390 http://www.armyjeeps.net/armor1.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) Calling it a fake seems a bit harsh, Call it a copy, a lookalike or a reproduction yes, but surely a fake is something deliberately made to sell to an unsuspecting pundit knowing it is not what it purports to be. Making a film prop with the intention of taking film footage at a reasonable cost, does not seem to me the same as attempting fraud. Edited February 20, 2011 by antarmike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoelH Posted February 20, 2011 Author Share Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) Fake was the term used to describe them elsewhere - I think they are labelled as "Visual Modification" by the company that Loans them. (I will re-label the topic). Here is another "Visual Modification" from the same company: Also this is the M1 from the rear: All credit for these images must go to armytrucks.com Edited February 20, 2011 by JoelH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 thanks for the post diver99, it was on armyjeeps not ebay that i saw these, sorry about that. by the way have you seen the prices of british armour they've got for sale £30k for a 432 and £60k for a spartan:wow: eddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 eddy8men....by the way have you seen the prices of british armour they've got for sale £30k for a 432 and £60k for a spartan:wow:The price of the M706 is a bit wild too:shocked: but the half millon for the M4A1 DD is **** obscene:wow:, I'd expect it to be a drive away at that price not a lump of crumbling junk.:-D Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchinuk Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 The CuF "Abrams" were quite different, one here, http://www.tomtownsend-toyland.com/toyland/persian_gulf_war_australian_centurion.htm The ones in Jerico (there is a set of photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/7634992@N04/510235148/in/photostream/) are similar. The obivous difference is that the CuF ones have a representation of the Abrams side skirts, whereas the Jerico tanks seem to have more original looking skirts. I guess the oil leak proves it's a Chieftain :blush: jch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoelH Posted February 20, 2011 Author Share Posted February 20, 2011 Good Post, I think the Jericho vehicles look a great deal more realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 IMO I think the earlier Centurion mock up Abrams has the edge the Chieftain one looks like a dressed up Chieftain whereas the Centurions conversion doesn't give away it origins -the "jericho" vehicle is particularly weak around the turret ring as the add ons sit too high, the barrel is too long and the fume extractor is in the wrong place, the skirts are virtually unmodified Chieftain-in particular M1A1 don't have the protruding lift handles -but I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder.:-) steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoelH Posted February 20, 2011 Author Share Posted February 20, 2011 I would like to continue the theme of "Visual Modification's". A "STUG 432": Click here for a very interesting conversion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 there was a sub section on http://the.shadock.free.fr/ website which had lots of movie substitute afvs but for some unkown reason it is not there at the moment . Not only should websites be accessable -by ensuring that sub section particulaly if formated in PDF are not overly long or large that it makes it difficult to enter, but should be consistant. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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