ferrettkitt Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 How does the 58 pattern machete fix onto the webbing? I have one of these canvas machete 'holders' and the only way that I can see to fix it is to slide the loop on the back through the belt. May have answered the question... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer nut Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Hi I think you may have answered your own question..lol I need to look at my mates one to see what fittings he has. Ta Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrettkitt Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) HiI think you may have answered your own question..lol I need to look at my mates one to see what fittings he has. Ta Jon I'm good at that just wish that the answers were right every time:nut::-D Many thanks Edited February 17, 2011 by ferrettkitt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob8066 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 You can slide it onto the belt using the loop. Also they have the hanging bracket as per the wartime US gear for hanging off bergens & the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretfixer Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Andy, Although issued as part of the C.E.S with Vehicle Etc. It was Rarely If at all worn on a belt kit in the field on Exercise. It was too cumbersome & was kept stowed anywhere you could in the vehicle concerned. They were originaly designed to go on the 1944 patt Webbing where the Bottom of the waistbelt had eyelets for that purpose. (& other Kit) In practice, IF, carried. It was generally strapped crosswise on the outside of the Bumroll (Poncho Carrier) of the 58 web set. The scabbard as you know, has a web beltloop on the rear, & this was really the only way you COULD carry one on a 58 Patt belt if you actually wanted to. In Reality, you had so much junk to lug around. ANYTHING you didnt want to carry, you didnt, IF you could get by without it! Try getting in & out a Ferret with even JUST a set of 58 webbing on, & you WILL see why it was not worn on web sets by vehicle crews! :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o.g-palmer Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 My dad says he often used to slide it underneath the flap on the 58 large pack. Pain in the backside anywhere else to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airportable Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Intresting thread. Is this 'machete' the carry over from the 44' ptn. known as the 'Golok' or No. 2 Martindale? Shorter 13" and thicker blade. A couple of pics. of the sheath for the Golok. Andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob8066 Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 The 58 pattern Machette, I think is more of a Parang rather than a machette or a Golok. If you read Ray Mears survival books the types and countries of origin and their uses are explained in there. Machette's are really only good for cutting vegetation whilst Parang's and Golok's are able to be used for vegetation & general cutting & shaping uses. It's the length & shape of the blades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrettkitt Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 Tar for all the the replies I couldn't see myself getting in and out of a Ferrets wearing full or even partial 58 pattern webbing I'm to big and the holes for getting in and out of the Ferret too small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrettkitt Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 Might as well ask another daft question in relation to 58 pattern kit what binoculars were in use to fit the 58 pattern binocular pouch on the webbing kit and who used that pouch on the webbing? Ruperts by any chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretfixer Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Might as well ask another daft question in relation to 58 pattern kit what binoculars were in use to fit the 58 pattern binocular pouch on the webbing kit and who used that pouch on the webbing? Ruperts by any chance? Binoculars, Prismatic. No.2. Ruperts had them as pretty much standard issue. BUT, ANY recce AFV at unit level could Sign a pir out from the G1098 Stores. If you wanted virtualy Any equipment & could justify it. The if you signed it out, you could have it. If YOU lost it, as you had signed for it. YOU would have to pay for a replacment! Sometimes, if an item wa what is termed, a Starred Item. It was a HIGHLY traceable & Acountable item. IE@ A SMG for example. If this weant 'missing' Etc.... There was Hell to pay! Unit personell & vehicle, accomodation seraches. S.I.B Called in (Mil Police C.I.D Section) & life was generally very unpleasant in the unit! A court Marshal usualy ensued!.................(God Help the Poor Bas**rd!) :shocked: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolman Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Going back to Machete's A couple of Golocks and a Martindale. One Golock is fantastic quality and the other is quite crude! They really have some weight to them. And for your amusement! (ignore the ad at the start) http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi1520109081/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airportable Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Excelent collection. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretfixer Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Matt, I guess the movie clip was 'A Cut Above The Rest'!...He REALLY did 'have The Edge,' didnt he?......:-X GROAN!..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrettkitt Posted February 19, 2011 Author Share Posted February 19, 2011 Going back to Machete's A couple of Golocks and a Martindale. One Golock is fantastic quality and the other is quite crude! They really have some weight to them. And for your amusement! (ignore the ad at the start) http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi1520109081/ I have one of those silver ones they don't bare any comparison to the originals I suspect that they might be of type that you used to be seen at gift shops in Blackpool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolman Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 I have one of those silver ones they don't bare any comparison to the originals I suspect that they might be of type that you used to be seen at gift shops in Blackpool. The scabbard is genuine but the golock is terrible, pretty blunt too. I bought a couple at tankfest last year, they were pretty cheap. MT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob8066 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 What makes it worse is neither of them are actually machette or golok scabbards. They are the old pattern scabbards for the PLCE L85A2 bayonet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolman Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 What makes it worse is neither of them are actually machette or golok scabbards. They are the old pattern scabbards for the PLCE L85A2 bayonet. I thought they looked similar. Can anyone post up a pic of a genuine golock scabbard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airportable Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I thought they looked similar. Can anyone post up a pic of a genuine golock scabbard? Thought that pic. of mine is a Golock scbd.! (may be wrong I usually are:-D) According to the excelent book 'British Post-War Jungle Webbing' (£10.95), mine is.ISBN 978 1 84797 086 2 Any way shows the difference between Golock and 44'machete. Size etc. Hope of intrest. P.S. think it helps if a scale is against the pic. (overall length 13") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Signals Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 'Scuse me coming in on this thread, knowing absolutely swat all about what is or isnt a 'Service' machete/martindale/golock never having served in anything, but- I have what I'd term a small machete that looks pretty much like the two items in the bottom pic of ferrittkitts pic, it also has what I believe to be its original scabbard, the item as shown in post no.7. So is this item technically a golock, as if it is its a Martindale golock as that name is clearly on it. So what makes a 'Service' item a Martindale instead of a golock? or vice versa? Happy to post up pics but there is nothing that isnt in anything already in the thread. I know the origin of the item and I believe it to be genuine ex-Service rather than Milletts/Army Stores etc although it doesnt have any arrow marking or such on it, other than a serial number(?)120-9242. I wait with baited breath and a sharp but non shiny machete in hand :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airportable Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Just make out printing on my sheath MECo 1966 ^ KE 18732 Looks like I need the blade now. A pic. of your blade/Golok would be of intrest. Andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWB Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 'Scuse me coming in on this thread, knowing absolutely swat all about what is or isnt a 'Service' machete/martindale/golock never having served in anything, but- I have what I'd term a small machete that looks pretty much like the two items in the bottom pic of ferrittkitts pic, it also has what I believe to be its original scabbard, the item as shown in post no.7. So is this item technically a golock, as if it is its a Martindale golock as that name is clearly on it. So what makes a 'Service' item a Martindale instead of a golock? or vice versa? Happy to post up pics but there is nothing that isnt in anything already in the thread. I know the origin of the item and I believe it to be genuine ex-Service rather than Milletts/Army Stores etc although it doesnt have any arrow marking or such on it, other than a serial number(?)120-9242. I wait with baited breath and a sharp but non shiny machete in hand :-D I have an 1981 dated Martindale made machete/golok, broad arrow marked with the same serial number 120-9242 I,ll post a pic tommorrow afternoon of it plus the issue web scabbard Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob8066 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Checked with a friend of mine who's off to Kenya. They are still being issued to 58 pattern golok's & scabbard. There is not one for the PLCE webbing system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWB Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Here you go as promised Dan oops dunno what happened middle pic wasn't supposed to be there never mind nice knife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airportable Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Thanks for pics. Is the middle pic. the British 70-80's survival knife by any chance? Andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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