Maverick Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Hi Guys, How heavy is a complete 25pdr gun and what size civy vehicle could be used to tow it ??? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 1.8t from memory (not inc limber) don't forget they are not braked... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 (edited) A Lee says they are not braked which means you cannot tow them with any Civvy vehicle. The limit for an unbraked trailer is 750Kgs. This has had a good airing in the past http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?19607-25pounder-and-limber It seems to me that there is no legal way of towing one on the road, whatever the towing vehicle,if the gun is running on its own wheels. A 25 Pounder needs to be moved on a trailer, or loader. Edited November 26, 2010 by antarmike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted November 26, 2010 Author Share Posted November 26, 2010 I thought as much about the weight issue but wanted to check, many thanks for the info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retriever Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 towed one once behind 109 landie. Never again pushed me all over the road when i touched the brake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Towed one to/from Normandy behind the Command Car it was different to say the least Commander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oily Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 more or less ANY 'civvy vehicle' can tow one, as long as the towing vehicle is rated for towing an unbraked trailer over 750kgs, say acivvy registered Bedford 4 tonner, or Daf 45 etc....well I'd have thought so anyway!:-| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 (edited) Another good reason for putting it on a trailer. Stops the burke following you damaging the muzzle brake with thier windscreen. I've towed one with limber with a 109 no problems apart from above, and muppets coming out of side turnings and roundabouts. Edited November 27, 2010 by Tony B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 (edited) more or less ANY 'civvy vehicle' can tow one, as long as the towing vehicle is rated for towing an unbraked trailer over 750kgs, say acivvy registered Bedford 4 tonner, or Daf 45 etc....well I'd have thought so anyway!:-| NO TRAILER is allowed on the road if if is over 750Kgs and it has no brakes. End of story, YOU CANNOT TOW IT. Okay there are some exemptions that don't apply Street Cleaning Trailer not carrying a load Agric Trailer manufactured before 1.4.47 towed by an Agricultural Motor Vehicle not exceeding 10 MPH, with unladen weight not exceeding 4,070 Kgs, this trailer being the only thing towed. Trailer drawn by a Motor cycle C and U reg 84 Agricultural trailed appliance conveyer Broken down vehicle Gritting Trailer max Gross weight not exceeding 2,000Kgs. Trailers most of us are likely to come across or end up towing in the UK are not allowed to exceed 750Kgs if unbraked. (and that includes 25 Pounder) Edited November 29, 2010 by antarmike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichelK Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 NO TRAILER is allowed on the road if if is over 750Kgs and it has no brakes. End of story, YOU CANNOT TOW IT. This is not 100% correct I don't know about regulation in the UK, however in the Netherlands my Dodge WC52 has an exception at the car papers Besides the standard for braked and non-braked trailers there is an exception line My Dodge is also allowed to pull an 1172kg trailer, no brakes that has an road registration before 1967 Officialy it was for the 1-ton Ben Hur trailer, however any other trialer with in these spec's is also possible (an 57mm AT-gun is only 1150kg ) So you will need to check you vehicle papers to check if you are allowed to pull an 1.8ton trailer Michel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 This is not 100% correctI don't know about regulation in the UK, It's UK regulations that we are talking about.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julezee001 Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 The Honourable Artillery Company used to tow their 25 pounders through the City of London to the Tower of London and back with 1966 SWB Landrovers till the late eighties, which as far as I remember had no servo. When those Landrovers were deemed too old (about 11,000 miles on the clock), they were replaced with 5 Airportable Landrovers. When the Series Landrovers were disposed of the H.A.C tried to keep the Airportables, but were in the end told NO, mainly because of the mass of the guns, and no overun brakes. So they then changed to Pinzgauers, which are still used today. Under civvy rules even the Pinz's wouldn't be legal, but they always had/ have a police escort and the pace is usually quite slow. Eventually the 25 pounders were disposed of and the Pinz's now tow the 105 light guns instead! There was talk at one time of converting the 25 pounders to have overun brakes retro fitted, but I think the cost was prohibative so close to the end of their useful life. Jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 (edited) This is not 100% correctI don't know about regulation in the UK, however in the Netherlands my Dodge WC52 has an exception at the car papers Besides the standard for braked and non-braked trailers there is an exception line My Dodge is also allowed to pull an 1172kg trailer, no brakes that has an road registration before 1967 Officialy it was for the 1-ton Ben Hur trailer, however any other trialer with in these spec's is also possible (an 57mm AT-gun is only 1150kg ) So you will need to check you vehicle papers to check if you are allowed to pull an 1.8ton trailer Michel Okay there are some exemptions that don't apply, I was trying to keep things simple and easy but seeing as the arguement has gone this way, 750 Unbrkaed tariler does not apply if:- Street Cleaning Trailer not carrying a load Agric Trailer manufactured before 1.4.47 towed by an Agricultural Motor Vehicle not exceeding 10 MPH, with unladen weight not exceeding 4,070 Kgs, this trailer being the only thing towed. Trailer drawn by a Motor cycle C and U reg 84 Agricultural trailed appliance conveyer Broken down vehicle Gritting Trailer max Gross weight not exceeding 2,000Kgs. Trailers most of us are likely to come across or end up towing in the UK are not allowed to exceed 750Kgs if unbraked. (and that includes 25 Pounder) For clarification my signature does say " Anything I say relates primarily to England & Wales" Edited November 29, 2010 by antarmike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schliesser92 Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 I suppose that even towing a 25pdr with an original Quad and a limber would be illegal nowadays - or what are the regs for towing two trailers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurice Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 what about welding up the tow hook from the limber with the 25Pr on it , this makes it a 4 wheeled trailer with brakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schliesser92 Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 what about welding up the tow hook from the limber with the 25Pr on it , this makes it a 4 wheeled trailer with brakes. bit difficult going "into action" !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 what about welding up the tow hook from the limber with the 25Pr on it , this makes it a 4 wheeled trailer with brakes. But only with brakes on half of the axles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 (edited) I suppose that even towing a 25pdr with an original Quad and a limber would be illegal nowadays - or what are the regs for towing two trailers? Covered in this thread http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?19607-25pounder-and-limber It never has been legal to tow even with a quad, unless under control of Armed Forces i.e. as an operational Military vehicle. Edited November 29, 2010 by antarmike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 what about welding up the tow hook from the limber with the 25Pr on it , this makes it a 4 wheeled trailer with brakes. Reversing it would be fun, seems like a forward only option, lets hope you don't turn down a way way street by mistake! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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