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A Lee says they are not braked which means you cannot tow them with any Civvy vehicle. The limit for an unbraked trailer is 750Kgs.

This has had a good airing in the past

http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?19607-25pounder-and-limber

It seems to me that there is no legal way of towing one on the road, whatever the towing vehicle,if the gun is running on its own wheels. A 25 Pounder needs to be moved on a trailer, or loader.

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more or less ANY 'civvy vehicle' can tow one, as long as the towing vehicle is rated for towing an unbraked trailer over 750kgs, say acivvy registered Bedford 4 tonner, or Daf 45 etc....well I'd have thought so anyway!:-|

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Another good reason for putting it on a trailer. Stops the burke following you damaging the muzzle brake with thier windscreen.

I've towed one with limber with a 109 no problems apart from above, and muppets coming out of side turnings and roundabouts.

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more or less ANY 'civvy vehicle' can tow one, as long as the towing vehicle is rated for towing an unbraked trailer over 750kgs, say acivvy registered Bedford 4 tonner, or Daf 45 etc....well I'd have thought so anyway!:-|

 

NO TRAILER is allowed on the road if if is over 750Kgs and it has no brakes. End of story, YOU CANNOT TOW IT.

 

Okay there are some exemptions that don't apply

Street Cleaning Trailer not carrying a load

Agric Trailer manufactured before 1.4.47 towed by an Agricultural Motor Vehicle not exceeding 10 MPH, with unladen weight not exceeding 4,070 Kgs, this trailer being the only thing towed.

Trailer drawn by a Motor cycle C and U reg 84

Agricultural trailed appliance conveyer

Broken down vehicle

Gritting Trailer max Gross weight not exceeding 2,000Kgs.

 

Trailers most of us are likely to come across or end up towing in the UK are not allowed to exceed 750Kgs if unbraked. (and that includes 25 Pounder)

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NO TRAILER is allowed on the road if if is over 750Kgs and it has no brakes. End of story, YOU CANNOT TOW IT.

 

This is not 100% correct

I don't know about regulation in the UK, however in the Netherlands my Dodge WC52 has an exception at the car papers

 

Besides the standard for braked and non-braked trailers there is an exception line

My Dodge is also allowed to pull an 1172kg trailer, no brakes that has an road registration before 1967

Officialy it was for the 1-ton Ben Hur trailer, however any other trialer with in these spec's is also possible (an 57mm AT-gun is only 1150kg ;) )

 

So you will need to check you vehicle papers to check if you are allowed to pull an 1.8ton trailer

 

Michel

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The Honourable Artillery Company used to tow their 25 pounders through the City of London to the Tower of London and back with 1966 SWB Landrovers till the late eighties, which as far as I remember had no servo. When those Landrovers were deemed too old (about 11,000 miles on the clock), they were replaced with 5 Airportable Landrovers. When the Series Landrovers were disposed of the H.A.C tried to keep the Airportables, but were in the end told NO, mainly because of the mass of the guns, and no overun brakes. So they then changed to Pinzgauers, which are still used today. Under civvy rules even the Pinz's wouldn't be legal, but they always had/ have a police escort and the pace is usually quite slow. Eventually the 25 pounders were disposed of and the Pinz's now tow the 105 light guns instead!

 

There was talk at one time of converting the 25 pounders to have overun brakes retro fitted, but I think the cost was prohibative so close to the end of their useful life.

 

Jules

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This is not 100% correct

I don't know about regulation in the UK, however in the Netherlands my Dodge WC52 has an exception at the car papers

 

Besides the standard for braked and non-braked trailers there is an exception line

My Dodge is also allowed to pull an 1172kg trailer, no brakes that has an road registration before 1967

Officialy it was for the 1-ton Ben Hur trailer, however any other trialer with in these spec's is also possible (an 57mm AT-gun is only 1150kg ;) )

 

So you will need to check you vehicle papers to check if you are allowed to pull an 1.8ton trailer

 

Michel

Okay there are some exemptions that don't apply, I was trying to keep things simple and easy but seeing as the arguement has gone this way,

750 Unbrkaed tariler does not apply if:-

Street Cleaning Trailer not carrying a load

Agric Trailer manufactured before 1.4.47 towed by an Agricultural Motor Vehicle not exceeding 10 MPH, with unladen weight not exceeding 4,070 Kgs, this trailer being the only thing towed.

Trailer drawn by a Motor cycle C and U reg 84

Agricultural trailed appliance conveyer

Broken down vehicle

Gritting Trailer max Gross weight not exceeding 2,000Kgs.

 

Trailers most of us are likely to come across or end up towing in the UK are not allowed to exceed 750Kgs if unbraked. (and that includes 25 Pounder)

 

For clarification my signature does say " Anything I say relates primarily to England & Wales"

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I suppose that even towing a 25pdr with an original Quad and a limber would be illegal nowadays - or what are the regs for towing two trailers?

 

Covered in this thread

http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?19607-25pounder-and-limber

It never has been legal to tow even with a quad, unless under control of Armed Forces i.e. as an operational Military vehicle.

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