robrffr Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 Reading a book about Urban Warfare, and spotted a couple of pictures of this camo scheme, anyone using it on their vehicles? http://www.emlra.org/articles/berlin_brigade.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevpol Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 I think there are 2 landrovers in the Berlin scheme Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willyslancs Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 www.emlra.org/articles/berlin_brigade.htm (interesting here, dad was in the 4/7th 61-63) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Signals Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 Land Rover in it http://news.webshots.com/photo/2928219040086232637RsgoCd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell sprout Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 I served in the Berlin Infantry brigade and i dont think Land rovers where actually painted in urban cam, only armoured vehicles unless anyone has a picture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lardrover Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 FWIW even the bloke responsible for it didn't think so but I'm sure the two printed pics are of at least 2 different 109's. I'm going to guess it was done as some sort of proof of concept to compliment the armour and not a widespread thing. The blocks are supposedly the same scale as the armour, not done smaller for smaller vehicles, although when compared, there does appear to be some difference in scale. The Elvington one is a nice match of the pattern and will look even better in 20 years when it has toned down a bit It can't be easy guessing the colours accurately but a series of pics taken of the final parade all look closer to the flat tones of the armour than the Land Rover. Now I look at it again, the green/brown looks more like olive green, IRR even. If I were the one who had painted it, I'd be saying tough tittie to any comments about the Land Rover as I'd not be keen to do all that again, I think it looks good and probably benefits from not having contemporary architecture available over here to put it into proper context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 More photographs , ISTR there is another UK registered 109" in BB that is not the one at Elvington - need to do more searching. http://forum.emlra.org/viewtopic.php?t=1752&highlight=berlin+brigade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lardrover Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 Ah yes, Mike in Antwerp has one with the pattern found when restoring, that's more like it. Also, GavinNL used the quoted RAL colours for his, so that's at least 2 with authentic colours. For anyone who can't access the emlra forum: Compiled from GavinNL: According to the Tank Museum the correct colour references for Berlin Brigade camouflage using the German RAL system are as follows: White = RAL9010, Blue-grey = RAL7031 (Humrol no. 21) Brown = RAL8025 (Humrol no. 62) (In case there a modellers amongst you I have included the Humbrol reference too.) The best source on the Berlin Brigade is the Tankograd book `British Infantry Brigade Berlin� which has a large number of photographs of AFVs in Berlin urban camouflage scheme. However, here is the colour mix for ICI polyurethane spray paint for Berlin camo: 1. RAL 7031 Blue-grey:- White 59% Ferrite yellow 6.5% Permanent blue 2.5% Blue-black 32% 2. RAL 8025 Brown:- Venetian red 33% Bright yellow 19% Blue-black 16% White 32% Looking at the Land-Rover pics on the emlra web site article on Berlin camo, even though they are very poor quality, the brown is not a bad colour reference and the white looks pretty white. But the grey is quite clearly almost black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 Yes AFAIK - the two 109" UK registered in BB are the one at Elvington and the one owned by GavinL Another good photograph of it with trailer in BB http://forum.emlra.org/viewtopic.php?p=24605&highlight=#24605 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrffr Posted May 29, 2010 Author Share Posted May 29, 2010 Thanks guys, alot more of a responce than I was expecting!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spood Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 One of our club members has a Ferret in this scheme, I'll try and find a pic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spood Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 Found one, sorry could be better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lardrover Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 If anyone here is on ARRSE, there is an interesting development in a Berlin thread about the origins of the scheme. I've asked by PM if anyone can clarify for me, and perhaps learn some more. If you are searching, the thread is titled "Berlin - What was the plan?" and only now touches on the paintscheme, the thread isn't about the scheme itself, more about what might have happened. http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=150099.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Drake Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 (edited) Going to have to repaint my 109 then, as I can now see the colours are incorrect. Nice to have more colour pics. One of the MoD Guard Service guys (ex Army) at Yeovilton said they had a few Landys painted in it, and it was a b*gg*r to do! Edited March 22, 2011 by Paul Drake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Drake Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Here's my effort, before I saw later colour pictures. I do believe there is a Defender in the Netherlands painted in Berlin Brigade camo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 That was going to be a question of mine, about the Ferrets painted in the scheme. My Ferret was Berlin based. Any more photos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistericeman Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 A couple of my mates LWT in Berlin brigade .... He is over on EMLRA too http://forum.emlra.org/viewtopic.php?t=8462&highlight=berlin VinnyLWT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m109a3uk Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 The Lt/WT doesnt blend in with that camo in the country.:-D Not sure where but i remember seeing a Chieftian picture in Berlin and it blended in really well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturgeon Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 (edited) Bump and I know it's a decent bump but I was looking for a new camo scheme for the landie to keep me out of mischief over the winter and this looks it. Any ideas what time frame it ran to? Cheers Edited November 17, 2013 by sturgeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfire Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 This is my favourite vehicle camo scheme, and I've been thinking of (eventually) repainting my Saracen in it; I know that the Saracen was never painted in it in service, but it'll make me happy. Cheers, Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Bump and I know it's a decent bump but I was looking for a new camo scheme for the landie to keep me out of mischief over the winter and this looks it. Any ideas what time frame it ran to? Cheers Introduced in 1982 carried into 1983, then when the commander of the armoured squadron left went to DBG. But when he left reverted to the urban scheme. To find that point you need to find when the new commander, who came in 1983, actually left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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