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Here you are John. I didn't like to post it up myself without your say-so as it originates from your archives. For those who take an interest in EMERs it is interesting to note that the V section of EMER WHEELED VEHICLES is not exclusively wheeled armour!

It's not Army or Navy, it's RAF. 22C is Clothing, aircrew

Its 16 miles from me but not seen any MVs heading that way.

Fred you appear to have a choice

Vicente in answer to #1. You have an open circuit in the temperature sensor circuit. The sensor is located close to plug #2. Unscrew the connector to it. There are two pins it should measure something like 98 ohms at 68 deg F (20 deg C) & that circuit should draw about 40 ma of current.

Indeed it was an ordinary railway guard's hand lamp that became Lamps, traffic control The centre portion should revolve to give red, white or green light. There should be a mask with an arrow that could be turned to indicate direction. Used for route marking, diversions etc but the two clips allow fitting on a bracket of a motor bike.

It is very difficult to find out when it applied to the UK. From research I did a few years ago I think it was in 1956 that the UK ratified the agreement to adopt STANAG 3150 & 3151 with full implementation intended by 1965. From the late 1950s NSNs started to appear in parts lists & Vocabulary of Army Ordnance Stores (VAOS). However full implementation seemed to take longer as I have some VAOS dated 1979 that still has uncodified items. There was no sharp defining line between the demise of VAOS & the introduction of the Catalogue of Army Ordnance Stores (COSA). The earliest COSA I have is 1970 yet as I mentioned VAOS was still around until at least 1979. I think the factor was that once a vocabulary listed all items that were NATO codified, then it assumed the title as a COSA. I would be interested to know if anyone has a VAOS later than 1979 to try to define when full NATO codification had actually taken place (as far as the Army goes).

We now have a section for Shorland Modelling. http://www.shorlandsite.com/ModellingIndex.htm The pictures of the real Dutch Airport Police near the bottom of the page here: http://www.shorlandsite.com/CarMark3.htm There will soon be quite a number Portuguese GNR Shorlands in the Mark 3 section. If have any pictures of your Shorland models you would like to share please email me at the link on site.

Yes I agree with you Mick, well done to all who are no doubt doing the less fun stuff of clearing up after the show. Not been before & liked the EMLRA pitch. I'm pleased that it was a reasonable distance from most of the fighting & explosions, which don't do a lot for me. But there was something for everyone. The low point for me was finding I had flat tyre when I got there. There were two high points. Being driven as a passenger around in my old Pig and finding this on Sunday. I have watched this Humber for 25 years or so through various low points in it's career and overwhelmed by the care & skill that Roger has applied to restoring this. He remanufactured the rear body. It was worth driving from Salisbury to see this & take 100+ pictures of it. For me it was best in show. Well done Roger.

Do it over a high lipped tray. It is very easy to lose your glass balls, they are no more than 3mm diam. Take lots of pictures especially of the choke mechanism as it has ambiguity. Although that does all need to be done at some stage. You have nothing to lose trying to run it with the drip feed as it is. We got the three restorable Humbers that were at home to run this way & they had been idle for a similar decade I should think. The only issue I had was one of the Pigs had a sticking needle valve or float spindle, but that was corrected with a hide hammer until it freed up.

Bernard in BSC381C there is a "Forest green" 282 but no idea how it matches to a US Forest green. I noticed that RR Motor Services Ltd do paint which includes two versions of Forest green. I think one is the official colour & the other matched to one of the first REOs imported over here & referred to as "Andy's Forest green" there was a noticeable difference.

Not really Wayne, the three Bronze Greens are easy to the remember though. All greens start with 2 so just keep adding 2 then 2 then adding 1 to the last digit. So you have: 222 Light Bronze green 223 Middle Bronze green 224 Deep Bronze green Then you can do the same with the Brunswicks which are the next up the scale. Thus: 225 Light Brunswick green 226 Middle Brunswick green 227 Deep Brunswick green It gets worse for NATO green. Think of "to wait 5" if you say it fast enough you get 285 :nut: I think that's about it really.

Its easily done Ed, I'm dyslexic & very conscious of how things can get transposed. It an easy one remember. RAF blue-grey? Think of the film 633 Squadron. Of course owners of 1 Tonne Forward Controls should remember the colour of their engine, 101

Yes that's the way to go I have word type documents, pdfs, database, spreadsheets & a significant photo album always with me. Just put 2,000 page document on & my card is only half full. I'm due for an upgrade soon but some now don't have a card & rely on a 'cloud' to access your storage. Don't like that I want to be independent of getting a connection eg would be useless at W&P if I wanted to look up a part number.

LV6/MT12/4730-99-807-3559 Bolt, banjo, brass, 12 mm x 1.25 mm pitch x 10 mm which changed to Bolt, fluid, passage or in old money LV6/MT12/SX4122 Surprised you don't have all 410 pages in pdf on your phone, you never know when you might need it :-D

It,s 633

Sorry missed it first time, ADP is actually Automatic Data Processing

Yup I agree, you will note it took 6 days for that to happen. At the time the system was VESPER, later became SALOME & then JAMES. VESPER = Vehicles, equipments, spares - provision and economic repairs UIN = Unit Identification Number CA005A = (Central) Vehicle Depot Ashchurch Colour Code 72 Colour 7 = Green Finish 2 = Gloss ie High gloss Deep Bronze Green

Thank you

Drawers, cellular, short were around before NATO codification in 1953, the VAOS code was CC 0091-8 As an alternative CC 1151-5 Drawers, muslin, green could be issued in lieu.

I originally posted this as a reply to Luke in the Introductions Section, but I think this little covered subject could easily become lost to members if it is just left in Introductions & deserves greater coverage. I have added some pictures unpublished before. The originals & their negatives were assigned to me by the late Capt Peter Russell who was EME responsible for bringing Malkara into service. Here he is seen thanking the ships Captain (possibly of MT Ship Markhar) for a safe voyage to Libya & the target being unloaded onto its trailer to be pulled by a Scammell. First of all welcome, Luke. I have been meaning to respond to your query about Comets as a test bed for Malkara & was further prompted by your letter in Tank about this & your reference to a "Project Orange" & "a Humber Pig Armoured Car was actually used operationally". I've not seen any firm evidence that Comet was actually used as a test bed for Malkara. Although a Comet, with turret markings 84718/63, was shipped to Libya for hot weather Malkara trials as a target. As you may know Malkara derived from Project J & development largely took place in Australia. Meanwhile Project 6 was the development of Orange William in the UK by Fairey. The development of the two rival missile systems progressed in parallel with some interchange of technology. Some of the various launch platforms that were considered might be adapted for use either by Malkara or Orange William. In a report dated 27 February 1957 FVRDE were keen to promote the Centurion Heavy Tank Destroyer. Already in 1956 there were two trailers, one in Australia & one it the UK, which were mock ups of the proposed Centurion launch control system for Malkara. However the War Office favoured a requirement for converting six Comets as launch vehicles for Orange William. At the time of the meeting these had not materialised as the Ministry of Supply were not prepared to fund the conversion. Although it was thought perhaps one conversion might be MoS funded & perhaps the other five by the WO. However “The proposed Comet conversion does not, of course, meet a requirement for the interim term vehicle. The War Office have not issued the military characteristics for the long term vehicle.” “A firm decision on this programme is now required before serious work is started.” A series of other matters were discussed which was all tempered by “The Chairman said there was little purpose in discussing this matter at this stage. The contractor is working to a financial limit which, perhaps not adequate, could not be discussed until the Defence Review was completed.” By September 1957 the airportability concept was very much to the fore with consideration of vehicles such as the proposed FV426, Land Rover & even Ferret. Although a brief mention was made that “Major Pierson replied that at this moment four launcher, controller teams were carrying out exercises on this matter in the Bovington area.” But there was no indication what vehicles were involved. Some of the inter-relationships between the two missiles systems & their various launch vehicles are touched on here: http://www.hmvf.co.uk/pdf/WWW%20FV1620.pdf and for more on the Orange William content to the first part of this: http://www.shorlandsite.com/images/L...lesElliott.pdf

First of welcome, Luke. I have been meaning to respond to your query about Comets as a test bed for Malkara & was further prompted by your letter in Tank about this & your reference to a "Project Orange" & "a Humber Pig Armoured Car was actually used operationally". I've not seen any firm evidence that Comet was actually used as a test bed for Malkara. Although a Comet, with turret markings 84718/63, was shipped to Libya for hot weather Malkara trials as a target. As you may know Malkara derived from Project J & development largely took place in Australia. Meanwhile Project 6 was the development of Orange William in the UK by Fairey. The development of the two rival missile systems progressed in parallel with some interchange of technology. Some of the various launch platforms that were considered might be adapted for use either by Malkara or Orange William. In a report dated 27 February 1957 FVRDE were keen to promote the Centurion Heavy Tank Destroyer. Already in 1956 there were two trailers, one in Australia & one it the UK, which were mock ups of the proposed Centurion launch control system for Malkara. However the War Office favoured a requirement for converting six Comets as launch vehicles for Orange William. At the time of the meeting these had not materialised as the Ministry of Supply were not prepared to fund the conversion. Although it was thought perhaps one conversion might be MoS funded & perhaps the other five by the WO. However “The proposed Comet conversion does not, of course, meet a requirement for the interim term vehicle. The War Office have not issued the military characteristics for the long term vehicle.” “A firm decision on this programme is now required before serious work is started.” A series of other matters were discussed which was all tempered by “The Chairman said there was little purpose in discussing this matter at this stage. The contractor is working to a financial limit which, perhaps not adequate, could not be discussed until the Defence Review was completed.” By September 1957 the airportability concept was very much to the fore with consideration of vehicles such as the proposed FV426, Land Rover & even Ferret. Although a brief mention was made that “Major Pierson replied that at this moment four launcher, controller teams were carrying out exercises on this matter in the Bovington area.” But there was no indication what vehicles were involved. Some of the inter-relationships between the two missiles systems & their various launch vehicles are touched on here: http://www.hmvf.co.uk/pdf/WWW%20FV1620.pdf and for more on the Orange William content to the first part of this: http://www.shorlandsite.com/images/LandRoversMissilesElliott.pdf

Dave if you have any pictures to post up many of us would be interested.

Hello Dave. I wonder if you have ever done any metal detecting in your dives? If so I wonder how it worked out. I have a Garret Sea Hunter Mk 2 that can work 200 ft BSL, although I have only detected to knee level BSL

Rob as far as black goes for the chassis that is quite a good price & includes delivery. But for convenience I go to the local store for this: http://www.wickes.co.uk/invt/214319 As for chimp proof DBG why do you only want 1 litre? Sounds if you are doing some touching up & it won't match in all probability. I have used identical service paint in DBG from the same manufacturer but different batches & it didn't match. If you use the same service spec but from different manufacturers it will badly not match .