northrecce Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Sherman concrete armour .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzkpfw-e Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I'm not convinced it'd do much, apart from add a ton of weight & fall off first hit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I'm not convinced it'd do much, apart from add a ton of weight & fall off first hit! morale booster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radek Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 yugoslavian sherman with T34 engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Makes one remember that the Shermans post war service was just as important at it's wartime one and perhaps less regarded..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 i reckon they put all the diy armour on to defeat shaped charge weapons as track links and sandbags and timber wouldn't have any effect on a kinetic round but it could stop a shape charge from penetrating or even a magnetic mine from sticking. it's just my opinion but it seems to make sense. what do you lot think ? it would be nice to get a definitive answer to something that's puzzled me for a while. rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 i reckon they put all the diy armour on to defeat shaped charge weapons as track links and sandbags and timber wouldn't have any effect on a kinetic round but it could stop a shape charge from penetrating or even a magnetic mine from sticking. it's just my opinion but it seems to make sense. what do you lot think ? it would be nice to get a definitive answer to something that's puzzled me for a while. rick I also wonder if concrete, tracks as extra armour or applique steel plates actually saved Shermans? Surely there should be photo's or reports if it worked? The tracks on the sides to counteract shaped charges does sound like a good plan at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_shadock Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 could also be a "psychological" effect : "then I feel that my tank is better protected than before from enemy fire"... Pierre-Olivier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted November 8, 2012 Author Share Posted November 8, 2012 How about this one then: A member of the Philippine Coast Guard inspects the wreckage of a U.S. tank that was recovered in 2009 in the muddy waters of Manila Bay. Authorities said the tank, which appeared to be an M4 Sherman minus its turret, was accidentally discovered underwater by a dredging company near the mouth of the Pasig River Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 how's this for applique armour :cool2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I have seen that photo before Rick, but this is the first time I realised that the Sherman hull was a Firefly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RattlesnakeBob Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 As others have said .....I can't imagine extra track links or whatever would have stopped an '88' but.... by the latter stages of the European fighting the danger of an '88' either in an opposing tank or as an independent antitank gun was very well recognised ??..... I thought the 'general plan' by late 1944 was to leave 'tank on tank' action , wherever possible , to the 'specialist units' equipped with M10s and Fireflys ??...(unless an Allied Tank was taken by surprise of course in which case the poor crew had no choice but to get 'stuck in' and do their best ) so..... ....I'm guessing (by that stage of the war ) that an awful lot more 'hand held' things such as Panzerfausts were being encountered?....and perhaps the sandbags / railway sleepers / track links etc would have been effective against low velocity 'blast' type weapons such as these ?? PS: the Sherman having 'track guards' welded on seems sensible too...as the Allies came up against more and more fanatically entrenched Germans I'd guess having the tracks blown off your tank by a concealed Infrantryman using whatever device came to hand was a real possibility?...so those plates would at least protect a fair portion of your tracks?? It's always struck me that no matter how thick or well sloped your armour is on a tank , your most vulnerable and easiest damaged point... is always the tracks.... and once a track is blown off your tank is scuppered and can't function half as effectively even if the main armament is still functioning ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willyslancs Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 different rear .............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Herbert Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 That's wading trunking. Not armour but quite flimsy sheet metal, note the rather undefined shape of the right hand lower part. There would be an extension piece clipped on the top raising it to turret hight and another similar extension on the air intake just behind the turret but these would have been ditched on landing so as not to get in the way of the gun when traversing the turret. 40 gallons of presumably fuel on the rear deck totaly unprotected is a nice touch which suggests that they wern't feeling very threatened. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I presume it's an M4A2 from the bogie spacing, were the M4A4s the same arrangement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Lee Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I presume it's an M4A2 from the bogie spacing, were the M4A4s the same arrangement? Correct me if im wrong, but I believe the M4A4 had wider spacing between the bogies than the M4A2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I think he means the trunking arrangement...... The M4A4 trunking is different in shape though similar in function. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I think he means the trunking arrangement...... The M4A4 trunking is different in shape though similar in function. I did Adrian, should have been more precise in my message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willyslancs Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Engine pic..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 A modern view of the same thing! I can't believe that was 2003..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Scott Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Not quite a multi bank but a Detroit twin pack last month being lifted out of my M10 with my Ward lafrance . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scammell4199 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Not quite a multi bank but a Detroit twin pack last month being lifted out of my M10 with my Ward lafrance .[ATTACH=CONFIG]69683[/ATTACH] Why was the engine coming out Adrian? Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Adrian, you mentioned at A&E that one unit was running noticably hotter than the other during the days driving.... is it further investigation of that issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rnixartillery Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Not sure if this is the right place for this picture but here it is anyway ! Rob...............rnixartillery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Scott Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Why was the engine coming out Adrian? Richard Adrian, you mentioned at A&E that one unit was running noticably hotter than the other during the days driving.... is it further investigation of that issue? The principal reason for taking the engine pack out was to replace one of the vibration dampers on the end of one of the crankshafts that had started to fall to bits , and the only reason we checked it was that i had been invited to take the M10 to Belguim to a WW2 show in Sept and we were giving it a good looking over before leaving, so when we found the vibration damper was failing we took the M4 High speed instead , and had a fantastic weekend away . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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