Rick W Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 Just to keep the grey matter working, what are they? 1 http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o72/rik242_2006/262a_3.jpg[/img] 2 http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o72/rik242_2006/6be2_1.jpg[/img] 3 http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o72/rik242_2006/0a44_1.jpg[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ives Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 tanks :evil: :evil: :whistle: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowtracdave Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 Not to mention......trucks :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted January 11, 2008 Author Share Posted January 11, 2008 Oh, well done....! :help: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 Top one looks like Stug-III's Middle - not sure - maybe a Horch? Bottom one looks like a PzKw V - the Panther Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted January 11, 2008 Author Share Posted January 11, 2008 I'll go along with a Horch Neil. Not too sure 'bout the other two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 I'm thinking the top one has to be a stug of some sort. Wheels are the wrong size for anything other a PzKw-III or -IV. The -IV has, I think, 4 equally spaced return rollers whereas the -III has 3 rollers with a big gap between #1 and #2 Looking at the picture there is a big gap between rollers #1 and #2 hence my conclusion they are Stug-III's. Bottom picture has the large, interleaved road wheels of the later PzKw's and a steep slope to the front glacis. Could be either a Panther or a King Tiger and going by the scale of the men standing on it it's too small for a King Tiger so I think a Panther. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 Rick, I think the vehicle in the second photo, is a Krupp Protze, more commonly known as a Krupp Boxer. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted January 11, 2008 Author Share Posted January 11, 2008 I think Richard has hit the nail on the head, think there was a Norwegian one for sale on ebay a while ago. The third I think is a King Tiger, correct me if Im wrong. Although the glacis plate does seem to have a shallower angle. http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o72/rik242_2006/P70.jpg[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeEnfield Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 I'd say Panther in pic 3. Krupp L2H143 in pic 2. Sturmgeschutz III assualt gun pic 1. (interesting to see they appear to have add on armour, along body sides. Normal pic's show armoured 'skirts' being worn, to protect track. Couse, I might be wrong. :-) Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 I think Richard has hit the nail on the head, think there was a Norwegian one for sale on ebay a while ago. The third I think is a King Tiger, correct me if Im wrong. Although the glacis plate does seem to have a shallower angle. http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o72/rik242_2006/P70.jpg[/img] Look at the turret in pic #3 Rick and the men standing on the hull. The size of the turret looks too small for a King Tiger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted January 12, 2008 Author Share Posted January 12, 2008 Panther at Bov, seems to have a gun aperture on the right whereas the one in the pic seems to have one on the left. http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o72/rik242_2006/Holupload132.jpg[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degsy Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 I agree with Lee, Stug 111 not 1V, Krupp L2H43 or L2H143 and Panther the turret is wrong for a Tiger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 Possible - the rake of the glacis still says Panther to me - could be an early Ausf D model with the drivers vision block and no hull mounted MG.... AFAIK the King Tiger's front glacis was not as shallow as the Panthers and all variants of the King Tiger had the hull mounted MG.... I could be wrong though so if some one knows better...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPTA team Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 Not to clued up on German vehicle but the first pic looks to ba a Sturmpanzer IV Brummbar. I may be wrong but thats nothing new. The last pic is a Panther :dunno: Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 :beer: :beer: I was right!!!! :beer: :beer: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienFTM Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 I'm thinking the top one has to be a stug of some sort. Wheels are the wrong size for anything other a PzKw-III or -IV. The -IV has, I think, 4 equally spaced return rollers whereas the -III has 3 rollers with a big gap between #1 and #2 Looking at the picture there is a big gap between rollers #1 and #2 hence my conclusion they are Stug-III's. Correct. I too went checking to see if any Stug 4's had crept in. They all have Saukopf (Boar's head) mantlets, but to be honest I have no idea what the presence or absence of Saukopf mantlets proves. Bottom picture has the large, interleaved road wheels of the later PzKw's and a steep slope to the front glacis. Could be either a Panther or a King Tiger and going by the scale of the men standing on it it's too small for a King Tiger so I think a Panther. It's a Panther. Pretty sure it's an A (second of three production versions, D, A and G: I have explained the sequence before now). It has a driver's vision slit (black shadow on the top right (as we look at it) of the glacis plate under the standing man's foot) so it cannot be a G, where the driver relied on a periscope to inprove the strength of the glacis plate. I cannot see a shadow for a machine gun slit on the co-driver's side of the glacis plate, which would have marked it out as a D. I therefore assume the MG34 is mounted on a later ball mounting inside a bulge in the glacis plate. By default I am therefore happy it is a Panther A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPTA team Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Looking closely at the third picture you can just make out what looks to be like a travel gun lock. King tigers never had these fitted due to the sloped frontal armour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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