Rick W Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 Just to keep the grey matter working, what are they? 1 http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o72/rik242_2006/262a_3.jpg[/img] 2 http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o72/rik242_2006/6be2_1.jpg[/img] 3 http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o72/rik242_2006/0a44_1.jpg[/img] Quote
ArtistsRifles Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 Top one looks like Stug-III's Middle - not sure - maybe a Horch? Bottom one looks like a PzKw V - the Panther Quote
Rick W Posted January 11, 2008 Author Posted January 11, 2008 I'll go along with a Horch Neil. Not too sure 'bout the other two. Quote
ArtistsRifles Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 I'm thinking the top one has to be a stug of some sort. Wheels are the wrong size for anything other a PzKw-III or -IV. The -IV has, I think, 4 equally spaced return rollers whereas the -III has 3 rollers with a big gap between #1 and #2 Looking at the picture there is a big gap between rollers #1 and #2 hence my conclusion they are Stug-III's. Bottom picture has the large, interleaved road wheels of the later PzKw's and a steep slope to the front glacis. Could be either a Panther or a King Tiger and going by the scale of the men standing on it it's too small for a King Tiger so I think a Panther. Quote
Richard Farrant Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 Rick, I think the vehicle in the second photo, is a Krupp Protze, more commonly known as a Krupp Boxer. Richard Quote
Rick W Posted January 11, 2008 Author Posted January 11, 2008 I think Richard has hit the nail on the head, think there was a Norwegian one for sale on ebay a while ago. The third I think is a King Tiger, correct me if Im wrong. Although the glacis plate does seem to have a shallower angle. http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o72/rik242_2006/P70.jpg[/img] Quote
LeeEnfield Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 I'd say Panther in pic 3. Krupp L2H143 in pic 2. Sturmgeschutz III assualt gun pic 1. (interesting to see they appear to have add on armour, along body sides. Normal pic's show armoured 'skirts' being worn, to protect track. Couse, I might be wrong. :-) Andy Quote
ArtistsRifles Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 I think Richard has hit the nail on the head, think there was a Norwegian one for sale on ebay a while ago. The third I think is a King Tiger, correct me if Im wrong. Although the glacis plate does seem to have a shallower angle. http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o72/rik242_2006/P70.jpg[/img] Look at the turret in pic #3 Rick and the men standing on the hull. The size of the turret looks too small for a King Tiger. Quote
Rick W Posted January 12, 2008 Author Posted January 12, 2008 Panther at Bov, seems to have a gun aperture on the right whereas the one in the pic seems to have one on the left. http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o72/rik242_2006/Holupload132.jpg[/img] Quote
Degsy Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 I agree with Lee, Stug 111 not 1V, Krupp L2H43 or L2H143 and Panther the turret is wrong for a Tiger. Quote
ArtistsRifles Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 Possible - the rake of the glacis still says Panther to me - could be an early Ausf D model with the drivers vision block and no hull mounted MG.... AFAIK the King Tiger's front glacis was not as shallow as the Panthers and all variants of the King Tiger had the hull mounted MG.... I could be wrong though so if some one knows better...... Quote
SPTA team Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 Not to clued up on German vehicle but the first pic looks to ba a Sturmpanzer IV Brummbar. I may be wrong but thats nothing new. The last pic is a Panther :dunno: Tony Quote
ArtistsRifles Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 :beer: :beer: I was right!!!! :beer: :beer: Quote
AlienFTM Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 I'm thinking the top one has to be a stug of some sort. Wheels are the wrong size for anything other a PzKw-III or -IV. The -IV has, I think, 4 equally spaced return rollers whereas the -III has 3 rollers with a big gap between #1 and #2 Looking at the picture there is a big gap between rollers #1 and #2 hence my conclusion they are Stug-III's. Correct. I too went checking to see if any Stug 4's had crept in. They all have Saukopf (Boar's head) mantlets, but to be honest I have no idea what the presence or absence of Saukopf mantlets proves. Bottom picture has the large, interleaved road wheels of the later PzKw's and a steep slope to the front glacis. Could be either a Panther or a King Tiger and going by the scale of the men standing on it it's too small for a King Tiger so I think a Panther. It's a Panther. Pretty sure it's an A (second of three production versions, D, A and G: I have explained the sequence before now). It has a driver's vision slit (black shadow on the top right (as we look at it) of the glacis plate under the standing man's foot) so it cannot be a G, where the driver relied on a periscope to inprove the strength of the glacis plate. I cannot see a shadow for a machine gun slit on the co-driver's side of the glacis plate, which would have marked it out as a D. I therefore assume the MG34 is mounted on a later ball mounting inside a bulge in the glacis plate. By default I am therefore happy it is a Panther A. Quote
SPTA team Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 Looking closely at the third picture you can just make out what looks to be like a travel gun lock. King tigers never had these fitted due to the sloped frontal armour Quote
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