Surveyor Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Russia says Britain's tanks 'will burn' in Ukraine (msn.com) The thought does occur to me that these will be priority targets for Putin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1950 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 It seems to me like politicians playing top trumps at the moment. They need ammunition for the tanks that they have. I thought the reason for the latest Challenger 2 update with the new turret was because ammunition for the current gun is scarce. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzkpfw-e Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Highly likely to be a political move, so the Germans will send Leopard 2, that the Ukrainians want. Deploying a dozen or so, nearly obsolete tanks, that weigh 28 tonnes more than anything currently used there, with potentially limited ammunition supply as it's no longer manufactured, isn't going to be of much use. Add in the necessary spares, crew training and they'll be of little use. Also, modern tanks need to be used as part of a combined arms deployment, so the promised 30 AS90s will be of more use, I suppose the question there, is where have they found 30 fully functional AS90s & when will these & the Challies actually be sent? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1950 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 They will be looking to get the 2 Challenger 1's in private ownership back next. Then look out for them starting those Chieftains in Lincolnshire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted January 18, 2023 Author Share Posted January 18, 2023 Interesting article UK warned it is sending 'wrong tanks' to Ukraine and could increase Russia threat (msn.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 8 hours ago, Surveyor said: Interesting article UK warned it is sending 'wrong tanks' to Ukraine and could increase Russia threat (msn.com) The article fails to recognise that, as mentioned above, this is really about unsticking the Leopards than providing a useful number of CR2s. Andy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryb Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 On 1/16/2023 at 1:39 PM, Surveyor said: Russia says Britain's tanks 'will burn' in Ukraine (msn.com) The thought does occur to me that these will be priority targets for Putin absolutely-should our CR2 be penetrated or destroyed we can kiss goodbye to the Chally's excellent track record. UK mod will be rubbished, and the Russian arms industry will get a huge boost. Bad move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attleej Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 I think that it is a very carefully calculated move. The over riding strategic objective is to avoid Ukraine being defeated. and we need to remember that. The bigger difficulty is training the Ukrainians to provide the first and second line technical support to keep ANY NATO AFV operational. The Ukrainians are very clever but all the NATO MBTs are very complicated. John 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 If politics are entering mechancal/weaponry discussion . A interesting book is Britains Secret War's by T.J. Coles (2016) - Chapter 7. Ukraine - 'We saw this one coming' . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1950 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Politics comes before any military action in a Liberal democracy. Military action is supposed at the behest of a democratically elected government. Or have I lost the plot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzkpfw-e Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 On 1/18/2023 at 7:37 PM, terryb said: absolutely-should our CR2 be penetrated or destroyed we can kiss goodbye to the Chally's excellent track record. UK mod will be rubbished, and the Russian arms industry will get a huge boost. Bad move. They have been penetrated, in 2006, an RPG-29 penetrated a Challie's low frontal armour. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiomike7 Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Pzkpfw-e said: They have been penetrated, in 2006, an RPG-29 penetrated a Challie's low frontal armour. Later RPG32 with a tandem warhead can punch through 750mm armour or 650mm with ERA at 90 degrees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregbent31 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Interesting👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1950 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Nothing is invincible. It is a sad fact but these are machines of war. Unfortunately when they go onto a battlefield they are at risk as are the crews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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