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Hi,

I'm searching for good PDFs or original manuals and handbooks for the HMLC Stalwart, to share on the Facebook group. 

 https://www.facebook.com/groups/Alvis.HMLC.6.x.6.Stalwart/ 

I'm happy to scan any original manual to convert it to PDF, and post them back to anyone kind enough to post originals. 

 

I've been working on this for two years now. I have compiled and MOD have declassified quite a few files now.
If you have originals of anything marked as red or orange in the list, then I would really appreciate your loaning them to me

 

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3 hours ago, fv1609 said:

Another one:

EMER COMMUNICATIONS INSTALLATIONS P 400-409 Clansman, net radio installation, HMLC, Stawart Mk 2

 

That would be an interesting one, Clive - I've never managed to find a copy so did my own Clansman installation based on a 352 and associated control harness.

Mark - I have several of these already PDF'd but remember that strictly speaking they are still classified and therefore subject to the Official Secrets Act.  That may seem silly, but it's fact unless someone can get MOD to agree they are no longer classified.

Andy

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2 minutes ago, andym said:

Mark - I have several of these already PDF'd but remember that strictly speaking they are still classified and therefore subject to the Official Secrets Act.  That may seem silly, but it's fact unless someone can get MOD to agree they are no longer classified.

Andy

I'll look in to that.
Because 94ET45 is parked outside Leconfield, I wonder if it's still all classed as restricted - despite most of it being on eBay - well, scans of scans anyway

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28 minutes ago, Mark Ellis said:

I take it the P 400-409 is the EMER code

Mark that is only part of the identifier, it has no meaning by itself. I'm afraid EMERs are widely misquoted if they don't include the EMER Part as P 400-409 would apply to a whole range things.

So the publications required are EMER COMMUNICATIONS INSTALLATIONS P 400-409

Without defining the EMER Part it would be like going to a library asking to see a Chapter 7 of a book. There are some further explanations here:

 

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On 4/27/2020 at 2:01 PM, fv1609 said:

Here's another one for the list:

RAC Equipment Trials Wing. FV431/Stalwart Comparative Trial Interim Report No.1. July 1964

That came up for sale recently. I tried to get a scan of it for the HMLC Facebook group, but no luck

Still looking for the CES lists, and would like to scan V644 / 1 as A4 so it's more user friendly - if anyone has those

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Just updated the original post, and the list of wanted files.
I've been working on this for two years now. Many files have now been declassified by MOD, but I'm still looking for some if anyone has an original or good quality copy.

 

Thanks

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Mark I know nothing about them but Serck-Behr Mk 1A Hydraulic pumps & motors occur in EMER WORKSHOPS C 250 ie between C 240 & C 260 so wonder if those are Stalwart relevant?

Also following on in C 270 Dowty direct acting shock absorbers & lockout struts, are they Stalwart related?

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1 hour ago, fv1609 said:

Mark I know nothing about them but Serck-Behr Mk 1A Hydraulic pumps & motors occur in EMER WORKSHOPS C 250 ie between C 240 & C 260 so wonder if those are Stalwart relevant?

Also following on in C 270 Dowty direct acting shock absorbers & lockout struts, are they Stalwart related?

I've sourced all these references from within the V manuals. Most of them have an Associated Publication list at the beginning, but I've also found a couple hidden away at the back - V648 and V649 being examples of that.

Didn't realise that Dowty made shock absorbers 

Any manuals are welcome

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9 hours ago, Mark Ellis said:

I've sourced all these references from within the V manuals. Most of them have an Associated Publication list at the beginning, but I've also found a couple hidden away at the back - V648 and V649 being examples of that.

If I have understood you correctly you are saying that there are examples of Associated Publications appearing in EMERs in xx8 (Inspection Standards) & xx9 (Miscellaneous Instructions) That would be most unusual as they should be in a standardised place so people know where to find the information.

Associated Publications should be in xx0 (Data Summary) as laid down in EMER GENERAL A 022 Chap 200 Para 40.

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21 minutes ago, fv1609 said:

If I have understood you correctly you are saying that there are examples of Associated Publications appearing in EMERs in xx8 (Inspection Standards) & xx9 (Miscellaneous Instructions) That would be most unusual as they should be in a standardised place so people know where to find the information.

Associated Publications should be in xx0 (Data Summary) as laid down in EMER GENERAL A 022 Chap 200 Para 40.

No, I found the reference to V649/2 in the last pages of V644/2 Part 2 Supplement 1. I've not seen that listed anywhere else.

But manuals like V642/2 have Associated Publication lists at the front, likeV642-2-Associated-Publications-list.jpg.ab531e24de3544343d710cbd4a97ed87.jpg

 

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That is unusual but I think it is explained by the fact that although Associated Publications should normally appear in Data Summary, EMER WV V 640/2 seems not to exist. So, I can see that it had to be put in some other Mk 2 EMER.

Looking at EMER WV A 001 (detailed index) 1983 for Mk 2 it only lists these:

V 642/2 Technical Description

V 643/2 Unit Repairs

V 644/2 Part 1 Field Repairs

V 644/2 Part 2 Base Repairs, Supp 1 – Hydraulic system

Looking in BAOR ‘B’ Vehicles Modification Index 1983:

V 647 Lists 97 mods

V 649 Lists 92 instructions

But no mods or instructions designated as specific to Mk 2

 

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11 hours ago, fv1609 said:

That is unusual but I think it is explained by the fact that although Associated Publications should normally appear in Data Summary, EMER WV V 640/2 seems not to exist. So, I can see that it had to be put in some other Mk 2 EMER.

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I didn't know that V640 existed until 2 days ago, and now you say there should be a V640/2
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The copy of V647 that I have, typed mods in the index go to 95, and penned in to 103. Sadly, my copy has up to 82, and then 103 - 103 is dated 1985

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Any idea what V641, V645 and V646 might be?
 

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9 hours ago, Mark Ellis said:

I didn't know that V640 existed until 2 days ago, and now you say there should be a V640/2

Any idea what V641, V645 and V646 might be?
 

No I'm just saying that Associated Publications should normally be in the Data section, which if it existed would have been V 640/2 but there is no evidence that it existed which is why I assume AP was put somewhere else in the /2 series.

EMER WV A 000 (general index) lists

V 640 - 649
V 640/2- 649/2

However that is not a declaration of what existed as that is in the detailed index A 001.

A 000 is merely stating the range of designations that could be used for any publications on that vehicle. All other vehicle types in the index are also quoted from xx0 to xx9.

Incidentally no suffix means it applies to all variants. A suffix applies only to a specific variant & although it seems logical that Mk 2 should be /2 it is a little out of character as the suffixing should start at /1 and so on. The suffix was not intended to be a direct reference to the actual Mk of the vehicle used in the vehicle's designation.

A 001 Jan 1983 lists:

V 640, 642, 643, 644, 647, 648, 649

V 642/2, 644/2, 643/2, 644/2

EMER WV A 009 Misc Instr No.6 Oct 1995 lists in V Section the cancellation of all EMERs for Saracen, Ferret & Stalwart. The EMERs were to be destroyed, which explains their scarcity!

More in a few minutes.

 

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I see you have UHB listed as AC No. 22156 this was published in 1968 & reprinted in 1982 with 6 amendments.

There was also an earlier UHB AC No. 20817

Looking in the catalogues of EMPS (Equipment Management Policy Statements) & EMPL (Equipment Management Policy Letters) Stalwart gets no mention other than in an index of EMPS Availability Data.

Here 70% of vehicles should be available for immediate use, but after 24 hours this should rise to 90%

There are some book values given in Mat Regs Vol II Pam No.1 Nov 1972, bear in mind these are 1972 prices!

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59 minutes ago, fv1609 said:

I see you have UHB listed as AC No. 22156 this was published in 1968 & reprinted in 1982 with 6 amendments.

There was also an earlier UHB AC No. 20817

Looking in the catalogues of EMPS (Equipment Management Policy Statements) & EMPL (Equipment Management Policy Letters) Stalwart gets no mention other than in an index of EMPS Availability Data.

Here 70% of vehicles should be available for immediate use, but after 24 hours this should rise to 90%

There are some book values given in Mat Regs Vol II Pam No.1 Nov 1972, bear in mind these are 1972 prices!

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20817 was for the Mk 1, which 22156 includes

 

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I don't understand what you mean by 

Here 70% of vehicles should be available for immediate use, but after 24 hours this should rise to 90%

or what books the image is supposed to be listing. Not interested in value of a book as we're not selling them. These vehicles are now used privately across the globe, and we're keen to keep them out of the scrap yard

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1 hour ago, fv1609 said:

A 001 Jan 1983 lists:

V 640, 642, 643, 644, 647, 648, 649

V 642/2, 644/2, 643/2, 644/2

 

I've done quite well then, collecting what I've gathered so far. Still got 3 V644 files sat waiting for MOD to declassify

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Yes I appreciate that AC No.20817 would have been just for the Mk 1, I only mentioned it as I assumed that for historical records you were gathering everything Stalwart related.

For that reason I mentioned the EMPS data on the percentage availability on mobilisation immediately & after 24 hours. I can scan the source document if you like.

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On 7/27/2022 at 2:03 PM, fv1609 said:

Yes I appreciate that AC No.20817 would have been just for the Mk 1, I only mentioned it as I assumed that for historical records you were gathering everything Stalwart related.

For that reason I mentioned the EMPS data on the percentage availability on mobilisation immediately & after 24 hours. I can scan the source document if you like.

Thanks for the offer, Clive. A copy would be appreciated 

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Here you go.

(b) - Establishment Code (I've got a scan somewhere of all 5 Stalwart Establishment Codes, I'll put up))
(d) - Now availability
(e) - 24 hr availability

The covering page is helpful in explaining how immediate 100% availability is not realistic.

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6 hours ago, fv1609 said:

Here you go.

(b) - Establishment Code (I've got a scan somewhere of all 5 Stalwart Establishment Codes, I'll put up))
(d) - Now availability
(e) - 24 hr availability

The covering page is helpful in explaining how immediate 100% availability is not realistic.

 

 

 

So UK based vehicles were expected to be in a state of disrepair. You can see why RAOC had hangers full of such a stockpile of roadworthy vehicles in Holland 

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1 hour ago, Mark Ellis said:

So UK based vehicles were expected to be in a state of disrepair. You can see why RAOC had hangers full of such a stockpile of roadworthy vehicles in Holland 

At that time all UK based vehicles were in constant use for training, major exercises and so on. I recall an instance in the late 70's of a Stalwart Mk2 belonging to a Royal Engineers unit, awaiting stores (spare parts) to repair it and it stood for so long that the unit sent a birthday card to the REME workshops after 12 months. When stores were ordered you would sometimes get a return note with a 'dues in' date which might be over a year away, this is where they were awaiting new parts to be made and delivered, then a week later the part would arrive with a packing date of some years earlier! This did not help getting vehicles back into service and very frustrating.

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