PITT24423 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 As some of you already know we are starting to gather parts and info to rebuild this Palladium. I am looking for a period engine to fit just incase somebody has a suitable candidate lurking at the back of their shed .We believe it was originally fitted with a Continental similar or the same as Dan has fitted to his Halley ,initially we thought we would be able to get one from the States but as always when your looking they all hiding .I think I am going to treat it similar to my Daimler in that I will fit an early 4 cyl petrol engine so it can easily be swapped if the correct item surfaces so I will be grateful and open minded to all replies. thanks in advance Duncan Pittock 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo.T Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Hi Duncan, Found a nice pic of the works lorry at Putney 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo.T Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Palladium engines were apparently Continentals from America although Dorman was also offered as an alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PITT24423 Posted November 26, 2018 Author Share Posted November 26, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tomo.T said: Palladium engines were apparently Continentals from America although Dorman was also offered as an alternative. I was told the Continental engines used here were built here under licence almost identical to the American engines apart from the English blocks and heads were cast as one and the American engines had removable heads.It would be interesting to know who made them. The gearbox and axles are American import . Added a picture which Richard posted on Dans thread showing what we are looking for. Edited November 26, 2018 by PITT24423 added photo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynx42 Rick Cove Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Just a few photos off the web. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiomike7 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 On 11/26/2018 at 11:10 AM, PITT24423 said: As some of you already know we are starting to gather parts and info to rebuild this Palladium. I am looking for a period engine to fit just incase somebody has a suitable candidate lurking at the back of their shed .We believe it was originally fitted with a Continental similar or the same as Dan has fitted to his Halley ,initially we thought we would be able to get one from the States but as always when your looking they all hiding .I think I am going to treat it similar to my Daimler in that I will fit an early 4 cyl petrol engine so it can easily be swapped if the correct item surfaces so I will be grateful and open minded to all replies. thanks in advance Duncan Pittock The front end and dumb irons look to be somewhat weak compared to the rest of the chassis, are the U bolts and plates an in service attempt to strengthen them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PITT24423 Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, radiomike7 said: The front end and dumb irons look to be somewhat weak compared to the rest of the chassis, are the U bolts and plates an in service attempt to strengthen them? Yes, there`s quite a few cracks around the front end which need addressing this is probably the least of our worries as we are a steel fabrication shop as our day job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PITT24423 Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 Thanks for the extra photos there`s quite a few which are fresh to me. I quite like this one as you could almost imagine what he is thinking with a bus load of women ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PITT24423 Posted November 30, 2018 Author Share Posted November 30, 2018 Getting the wheels ready to be repaired so we will see what magic happens to them while they are away down Devon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great War truck Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Are you taking them down to Devon yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PITT24423 Posted November 30, 2018 Author Share Posted November 30, 2018 Not sure yet Tim,agreed a time schedule with Greg that suits the pair of us as they won`t get started on until well into the new year as we have a few other "bits" we can get on with .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great War truck Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 PM sent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon_M Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 If you have ever wondered exactly how a wheelwright goes about making these wheels, you may want to take half a day and watch Engels at work: It'll take you a while though, but there's a lot of good wooden wheel info in there 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flandersflyer Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 There's another one here: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flandersflyer Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 And here's a bit on coopering as well: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PITT24423 Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 As with all these things one thing always leads to another ,and what started as a conversation about bus and charabanc bodies lead to the latest acquisition ! The chassis is a Daimler possibly a CB but more likely a CK will now more once we get into it ,a lot of the smaller brackets are still on it plus a gearbox and steering box so another project in the background .Leyland bus body is on its knees but the roof is a work of art with very little rot and will use this for the basis for the Palladium body but will have to cut a section out the middle to reduce the length.Due to fragile state of the body I had to call in a favour and borrow a friends curtain sider low loader as it was in a state of collapse. IMG_1632.MOV 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon_M Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Don't think we didn't notice the extra set of axles - what's the story with them? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PITT24423 Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Gordon_M said: Don't think we didn't notice the extra set of axles - what's the story with them? 🤔 You are not looking close enough ! Theres a second CB 22 chassis if you look hard enough ....... haven't you played where's Wally ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon_M Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Haven't played that since the last time I walked through Westminster. 8-) Disk and spoked wheel variants? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PITT24423 Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 Along with the Daimler parts was a second very low numbered chassis approx 1914 with the latter 1920s pneumatic wheels which we think was a standard upgrade in its day.This chassis you can just see in the photo with the axles peaking out under the bus body forward of the rear axle and it has a nice clear stencil stating max 20mph. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PITT24423 Posted January 12, 2019 Author Share Posted January 12, 2019 Over a couple of evenings this week we stripped all the rubbish away to leave a clean starting point when we are ready to start. Roof is as good as new with a little bit of rot above the front leading edge the main roof unbelievable as the original canvas was in tact under the felt/tar roof. Guessing the body was converted to a house at the end of 1934 as the additional ply floor was laid on top of newspaper and was dated October 34 and the headlines of the day was the civil war in Spain and the launching of HMS Snapper (submarine) after a google reported missing in the Bay of Biscay 1941. I am no bus expert but this seems a short life for a bus when I`ve been told this model started in 1925 unless its a bit earlier. Offside wall quite rough ,N/side good as a pattern temporarily propped the roof up to try and get its shape back whilst it dries out properly now its undercover.We`ll make a temporary frame for it to sit on and extract the Daimler later in the spring. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petelobus Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Duncan, great to see you have started to work on the body already. A life of just 9 years was quite uncommon for most buses built from the mid '20s, but would have been very acceptable before the emergence of models like the Lion, which were much more efficient, and remained competitive for some time. I suspect the body was taken off as you say in 1934, but the chassis would then have been rebuilt and rebodied to give a more modern appearance, and quite possibly would have soldiered on into the late '40s. If some ID could be found on the body (I never did at Barry's) we could probably work out a rough idea of the vehicle history easily with Google. All the best, Owen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazerSloan Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Hello Duncan, It would be nice to hear how you're getting on with your Palladium truck. I own a Palladium car as does a friend. Mine is a 1924 model, his a 1923 model. Cheers Frazer Sloan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quentin English Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Can anyone date the photo of C1164, as it belonged to my grandfather, F H Beaumont of Honley? Quentin English Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Nice information on the Palladium lorry project. I am most interested to see the progress on this lorry and also the body. You are lucky to have shop space to fit the body into! Do you have your wheels back and fitted from the wheelwright? Share more pictures of your successes...... Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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