egdod Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 hi all, can anyone tell me or even better post a picture of ww11 us camo netting the type that would have been used with a dodge wc.also who sells it?! thanks dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 hi all, can anyone tell me or even better post a picture of ww11 us camo netting the type that would have been used with a dodge wc.also who sells it?! thanks dave Hi Dave. You want the burlap netting and I will post a picture up but have a look here for a net - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WW2-Patt-Hessian-Burlap-Camo-Net_W0QQitemZ180125602097QQihZ008QQcategoryZ4721QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Hi Dave - just taken these......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egdod Posted June 2, 2007 Author Share Posted June 2, 2007 thanks jack for the quick response!!! had already seen the one on ebay but the pic had no detail, next question where do you obtain?? dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 Hi Dave - funny enough I got mine of Ebay too! I couldn't find one anywhere :computerterror: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egdod Posted June 3, 2007 Author Share Posted June 3, 2007 looks like something esle to go on the war&peace shopping list!!!! he he!! thanks again jack dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienFTM Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 If you are going to deploy your cam nets (camo is SUCH an American term), maybe a treatise on cam is in order. Some notes from a former cavalryman in a recce regiment (recon is SUCH an American word) where camouflage was everything. The picture attached shows a cam net draped over a vehicle. WRONG. It makes the vehicle look like the vehicle it is, covered by a cam net. In fact late in WW2 the Germans started to paint this sort of pattern straight onto their tanks (I have discussed this scheme elswhere on this forum before now). Particularly commonly seen in newsreel footage of Panthers and Hetzers (and I think I have seen it on Jagdpanzer 4 L/70s). It is only 1/2 the job of camouflage. The cam net ought to lifted entirely clear of the vehicle on poles so that the shape of the cam net is not that of the silhouette of the vehicle. Also, the shadow of the cam net doubles the effect of the cam net itself. The corners of the cam net ought to be pegged down with the net pulled tight so that it doesnt just hang around the pole and look like cam net wrapped around a pole. It ought to be clear of the vehicle so that, if crashed out, you can drive straight out without catching in the net. You ought to be able to access all stowage bins and hatches without disturbing the cam nets. That covers shape and silhouette. Shine and shadow: you want to acquire hessian sacking roll. Attach it above the windscreen and side windows, the light clusters, the underside front plate and along the sides, roll it up and tie it so that, when you arrive in a position, you can untie it to unroll and cover: all glass, including windscreens and all lights (and the clear plastic panel on the back of a Landrover); the suspension. Even through a cam net, the above all remain clearly visible. (One of the main reasons for Mickey Mouse Ear cam in late WW2 was to break up the shape of wheel arches with matt black paint.) In the desert, British tank crews often painted one front road wheel and one rear road wheel on each side black. This single act made the vehicle look like a lorry at any distance and not worthy of engagement, confusing enemy observers. Half the aim of camouflage. Also, at the start of WW2, RAF aircraft undersides were painted half white, half black. Depending on the background, half the aircraft simply disappeared, the human eye didn't recognise it and, because it didn't look like an aircraft, it was ignored. If you can get black hessian, great. We usually got natural (light brown) hessian and slapped matt black paint on it. If it is not realistic to tie the hessian above windscreens, Simply carry a roll to trap in the doors either side and over the windscreen. Be careful getting into and out of the vehicle that the hessian doesn't slip. That's all that springs to mind right now. Input from others more than welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egdod Posted June 4, 2007 Author Share Posted June 4, 2007 WOW! thats a lot of information!! i only want the camo net sorry cam net to give me some shade!! thanks for information dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeEnfield Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 If you are going to deploy your cam nets (camo is SUCH an American term), maybe a treatise on cam is in order. Some notes from a former cavalryman in a recce regiment (recon is SUCH an American word) where camouflage was everything. The picture attached shows a cam net draped over a vehicle. WRONG. It makes the vehicle look like the vehicle it is, covered by a cam net. In fact late in WW2 the Germans started to paint this sort of pattern straight onto their tanks (I have discussed this scheme elswhere on this forum before now). Particularly commonly seen in newsreel footage of Panthers and Hetzers (and I think I have seen it on Jagdpanzer 4 L/70s). It is only 1/2 the job of camouflage. The cam net ought to lifted entirely clear of the vehicle on poles so that the shape of the cam net is not that of the silhouette of the vehicle. Also, the shadow of the cam net doubles the effect of the cam net itself. The corners of the cam net ought to be pegged down with the net pulled tight so that it doesnt just hang around the pole and look like cam net wrapped around a pole. It ought to be clear of the vehicle so that, if crashed out, you can drive straight out without catching in the net. You ought to be able to access all stowage bins and hatches without disturbing the cam nets. That covers shape and silhouette. Shine and shadow: you want to acquire hessian sacking roll. Attach it above the windscreen and side windows, the light clusters, the underside front plate and along the sides, roll it up and tie it so that, when you arrive in a position, you can untie it to unroll and cover: all glass, including windscreens and all lights (and the clear plastic panel on the back of a Landrover); the suspension. Even through a cam net, the above all remain clearly visible. (One of the main reasons for Mickey Mouse Ear cam in late WW2 was to break up the shape of wheel arches with matt black paint.) In the desert, British tank crews often painted one front road wheel and one rear road wheel on each side black. This single act made the vehicle look like a lorry at any distance and not worthy of engagement, confusing enemy observers. Half the aim of camouflage. Also, at the start of WW2, RAF aircraft undersides were painted half white, half black. Depending on the background, half the aircraft simply disappeared, the human eye didn't recognise it and, because it didn't look like an aircraft, it was ignored. If you can get black hessian, great. We usually got natural (light brown) hessian and slapped matt black paint on it. If it is not realistic to tie the hessian above windscreens, Simply carry a roll to trap in the doors either side and over the windscreen. Be careful getting into and out of the vehicle that the hessian doesn't slip. That's all that springs to mind right now. Input from others more than welcome. :tup: Nice One,...................cheers for that. Have seen on the 'instructional video's', the drivers 'bagging up', scteens, etc, before camming up........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripp Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 Do you have any militaria fairs near you? There's sometimes the odd bundle's of cam net at the fair at Chatham Dockyard. Worth a look if you have one near you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egdod Posted June 5, 2007 Author Share Posted June 5, 2007 i will keep eyes open at shows this year hoping to pick something up at beltring...fingers crossed!!!!! thanks for help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeEnfield Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 I've just picked two nets up, :-D....sorry, both needed,....but you could try Lee at FNG supplies. http://www.fngsupplies.com/catalogue.html 07831 520485. he's quite a busy guy, so contact may not be immediate. Nice guy, though. Good luck. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripp Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 Link needs a bit of fixing. U and G need switching around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Its me Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 the website is under construction at the moment anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeEnfield Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 Aye, that it is,..............but the no given will reach Lee. As I say, though; he is busy at the mo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 Link fixed for you :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ives Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 there is two bits on ebay number 190118817874 with a buy it now price if you need old camo net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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