BRDM Driver Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I see Withams has 6 of these in the next tender! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin craig Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I would be fairly sure that if they don't sell to an enthusiast they will get scrapped as have many CVR(T)s over the last few years. It is a crying shame but the disposal game is all about numbers and if scrap price is all it will make that is where it is headed. R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbo Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I see they are described as very very rare which I suppose is true for once! I think they may struggle to sell to enthusiasts though, even being diesels as there are a lot more to come through. If you wanted a cheap(ish) way into CVRT ownership, and a diesel one to boot I think they would be worth a punt... Timbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Personally I'm hoping at least one one goes for scrap...and that we manage to procure the turret! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mill comms Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 What do you estimate the scrap price to be :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrettkitt Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 What do you estimate the scrap price to be :-) Whats the currant scrap price for aluminium per ton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Whats the currant scrap price for aluminium per ton? There is no scrap value in CVR hulls as I understand. A local scrapyard had a few when clearing ranges, must have thought they were on a winner, now stuck with them. Due to not being pure aluminium, they are a special alloy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbo Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Don't know if it's true but I've been told these have no gearboxes so make sure you lift the louvres before you bid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antar Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 OK whats a Sturgeon, googled it but nothing definitive ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 OK whats a Sturgeon, googled it but nothing definitive ? the Sturgeon was a mock up of what might be an enemy AFV but based on a CVR(T) purely for training purposes. It came from an idea thought up by a member of REME who it was named after. Think they were mainly used in Suffield and possible Salisbury Plain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 OK whats a Sturgeon, googled it but nothing definitive ? John, They are Spartans with Milan Compact Turrets, made up to look like Soviet vehicles for training in Canada. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mill comms Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Don't know if it's true but I've been told these have no gearboxes so make sure you lift the louvres before you bid! Also the dash has been removed and chucked in back of each vehicle, and parts removed from the dash??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 As with all of these things, the parts will come along eventually if you're patient and keep an ear to the ground. Regarding scrap value, I've seen lots cut up recently and know they must be worth a reasonable amount otherwise the scrap yard wouldn't have bought them and invested a lot of time stripping them bare. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mill comms Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Your right there Chris, last year when I purchaces some of the petrol CVRTs,one to rebuild and one for spares, I was told by Withams I would be able to get about 2200 for a clean Sultan hull, but the only scrapyard that would accept this would be EMR (Euro Metal Recycling).So works out about 600 a ton. I did note one of the Sturgeons was in mint condition, and not used since base overhaul,but still had instrument cluster, and odometer removed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Regarding scrap value, I've seen lots cut up recently and know they must be worth a reasonable amount otherwise the scrap yard wouldn't have bought them and invested a lot of time stripping them bare. Chris, It seems there is an outlet for scrap alloy armour now, but back some years ago, I have known of several scrapyards who have bought in CVR(T) and found that no one wanted the metal. Could be it is now recycled to its original source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mill comms Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 One of these is now on Withams on line auction sale, starting price 3750. How long would a gearbox from a petrol cvrt TN15 Gearbox last if put in this vehicle?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 It's not just a question of how long it would last. The Diesel engine is slower revving so the diesel gearbox input module is geared differently to give the same top speed. I believe David Brown will convert a petrol one to a diesel for you at a cost of £58000. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrettkitt Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 It's not just a question of how long it would last. The Diesel engine is slower revving so the diesel gearbox input module is geared differently to give the same top speed. I believe David Brown will convert a petrol one to a diesel for you at a cost of £58000. Chris Just £58000 I'll dip in my pocket and see what loose change I can find Still worth a punt on for someone they just might have to wait a while for gearbox to turn up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TooTallMike Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I'm confused, our friend Nick (CVRTNick) has had one of these for years - it is well known on the circuit as it was one of the first CVRTs to be released. It has an incomplete MCT turret which would be for a two-rail Milan launcher. Internally it should have stowage for multiple Milan tubes and would be very 'cosy' as a result. I have also always understood that they saw service in the first Gulf war so were there two different versions, one a mock-up and one an actual combat vehicle? Googling CVRT Spartan MCT comes up with a number of sand-coloured ones bouncing over dunes. - MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Mike, The Sturgeons are probably the same Spartans you've seen bouncing over the dunes, but the Milan turrets haven't been used in that role for years. In BATUS they were just used for training so they will have ripped the interior out and put some seats in the back, along with the LEP upgrade and bowman conversion. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mill comms Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 So when the CVRT fleet went under LEP did they automatically upgrade the TN15 gearbox, or did they first do a trial diesel engine to origional gearbox, have several failures then upgrade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Other than the engine, the gearbox is the main part of the upgrade... And the expensive bit to engineer, hence why they are in short supply! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbo Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I suspect the extra torque of the diesel would do no favours to the petrol box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) Mike, I would agree with Chris that the interior has been put back to APC configuration with the Milan turret left in for war gaming purposes. I'd be interested to know if the back door still retained the gunners seat. Edited February 12, 2014 by Grasshopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchinuk Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 OK whats a Sturgeon, googled it but nothing definitive ? A freshly painted Sturgeon In 1991/92. jh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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