gritineye Posted May 28, 2013 Author Share Posted May 28, 2013 Looks like a Rice Mill to me, it could certainly be used for the purpose...... Alec. Ever so slightly warm but not rice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted May 28, 2013 Author Share Posted May 28, 2013 How about that other army standby, Porridge oats? Again slightly warm but not oats Tony, getting the time and place might help a bit as your historic detail is usually pretty good.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 (edited) The other grain by product that come s bleached is Bran, so is it an army biscuit mill? Trouble with the period is that milling equipment hasn't changed much. The belt drives suggest at least Victorian but any where up to WW1. Edited May 28, 2013 by Tony B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted May 28, 2013 Author Share Posted May 28, 2013 The other grain by product that come s bleached is Bran, so is it an army biscuit mill? No not biscuits.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 A right flyer! It's not crushing Conckers to produce acetone for explosive? http://www.h2g2.com/approved_entry/A6958812 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangie Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 The other grain by product that come s bleached is Bran, so is it an army biscuit mill? Trouble with the period is that milling equipment hasn't changed much. The belt drives suggest at least Victorian but any where up to WW1. Agreed, It's a pretty standard de-hulling (or macerating), cleaning and bleaching (and/or grinding) process. The Rasper would tend to suggest Sugar Beet Root processing - tearing and macerating, with the settling tanks used for flocculation or raw sugar juice or the first stage of molasses extraction. You said earlier, however that it has nothing to do with sugar processing. The auger and bolter would tend to suggest post-1780 a-la Oliver Evans, flat belts were used until the 1930s (proven technology and useful for bucket elevators before air ejectors were adopted). The sketch would tend to suggest around the 1830 to 1900 mark though. Grinders were used for simplicity/cheapness but you can't beat stone or roller-grinding for flour. However I don't think flour/meal was intended here, unless in a lower grade (if army, that could well be the case), it looks more like pulp/waste processing. Again if beets were involved I would say its for producing feed/fodder for animals. Hmm...... :nut: That's my tuppenceworth, 'm going to go and lie in a dark room now, this is bothering me..... Alec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 (edited) As most of the common grains, and legumes seem to have been covered. I wonder if it is production of an Ersatz product. Such as Acorns for Coffee, maybe Soya? Those cell pictures do look like a drying grain cell though, Wheat? Edited May 28, 2013 by Tony B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeePig Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Is it to extract starch? I think a number of roots and seeds have been used trevor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locolines Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 A blanco making machine ? If there is such a thing ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthecorner Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 I'll go with the starch production as well.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted May 28, 2013 Author Share Posted May 28, 2013 A right flyer! It's not crushing Conckers to produce acetone for explosive? http://www.h2g2.com/approved_entry/A6958812 Not conkers either.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted May 28, 2013 Author Share Posted May 28, 2013 Agreed, It's a pretty standard de-hulling (or macerating), cleaning and bleaching (and/or grinding) process.The Rasper would tend to suggest Sugar Beet Root processing - tearing and macerating, with the settling tanks used for flocculation or raw sugar juice or the first stage of molasses extraction. You said earlier, however that it has nothing to do with sugar processing. The auger and bolter would tend to suggest post-1780 a-la Oliver Evans, flat belts were used until the 1930s (proven technology and useful for bucket elevators before air ejectors were adopted). The sketch would tend to suggest around the 1830 to 1900 mark though. Grinders were used for simplicity/cheapness but you can't beat stone or roller-grinding for flour. However I don't think flour/meal was intended here, unless in a lower grade (if army, that could well be the case), it looks more like pulp/waste processing. Again if beets were involved I would say its for producing feed/fodder for animals. Hmm...... :nut: That's my tuppenceworth, 'm going to go and lie in a dark room now, this is bothering me..... Alec. Well Alec, good thinking and a great answer, but you have glanced off the target a few times and swerved around a podium place! If you changed one word you would be almost there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted May 28, 2013 Author Share Posted May 28, 2013 A blanco making machine ? If there is such a thing ! Nope.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted May 28, 2013 Author Share Posted May 28, 2013 Is it to extract starch? I think a number of roots and seeds have been used trevor Excellent! starch extraction is part of the process.... I'll go with the starch production as well.... Ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted May 28, 2013 Author Share Posted May 28, 2013 As most of the common grains, and legumes seem to have been covered. I wonder if it is production of an Ersatz product. Such as Acorns for Coffee, maybe Soya? Those cell pictures do look like a drying grain cell though, Wheat? No wheat involved, but that is a big clue.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted May 28, 2013 Author Share Posted May 28, 2013 (edited) potatoes ? Richard, you are correct! How very embarrassing, somehow I missed your answer, please accept my grovelling apologies, the potato is indeed the raw material. But what is the resulting product, where and when and for whom? These questions still remain unanswered.. Edited May 28, 2013 by gritineye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super6 Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 As it involves spuds is it instant mash/smash? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted May 28, 2013 Author Share Posted May 28, 2013 As it involves spuds is it instant mash/smash? No but for the life of me I can't think why not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Richard, you are correct! How very embarrassing, somehow I missed your answer, please accept my grovelling apologies, the potato is indeed the raw material. But what is the resulting product, where and when and for whom? These questions still remain unanswered.. Well that was a surprise !! Well to finish off, is it to do with making a nitro-starch explosive from the spuds, or even to produce Potato flour ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted May 28, 2013 Author Share Posted May 28, 2013 Well that was a surprise !! Well to finish off, is it to do with making a nitro-starch explosive from the spuds, or even to produce Potato flour ......... Richard you're way too good, it is potato flour! :bow: " The scarcity of wheat and other grain in central Europe has led to the free use of potato flour in the manufacture of bread in Germany and Austria, how the enemy produce this is interesting." November 1915 Why they didn't just make Smash I don't understand. As Clives brain seems to be less affected by contact adhesive fumes than mine I'll probably be leaving these things to him from now on! :red: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Gee thanks Bernard, don't know what to say, thought I was out of the running this morning when you did not comment on my post about potatoes. Now, what was the prize ? a tray of chips when we meet at W&P I suspect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted May 28, 2013 Author Share Posted May 28, 2013 Gee thanks Bernard, don't know what to say, thought I was out of the running this morning when you did not comment on my post about potatoes. Now, what was the prize ? a tray of chips when we meet at W&P I suspect How about a chip butty? almost potato bread.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 How about a chip butty? almost potato bread.. I would not wish to deprive you of your lunch Bernard :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted May 28, 2013 Author Share Posted May 28, 2013 And here are some Austrian soldiers building field bread ovens to cook their bread in. I do hope it tasted good, bet it was cold up in those hills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangie Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Well that's a new one on me, potato flour!!! I presume the bleaching part of the process is still the same, to ensure the whiteness?? As you say, replace Beets with Potatoes..... Alec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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