goanna Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 (edited) IMHO The LR wins this trial https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/1060035155 Another trial in tropical Australia https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/1060035161 Edited May 27 by goanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7VHU Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Yep, the 80” with the 1600 cc could give the jeep a good run for its money and I’ll bet a few more miles on a tank of petrol. I do miss my S1. Defender’s ok but it’s a big complicated lump. Never driven a jeep. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman 02 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 2 hours ago, 7VHU said: Yep, the 80” with the 1600 cc could give the jeep a good run for its money and I’ll bet a few more miles on a tank of petrol. I do miss my S1. Defender’s ok but it’s a big complicated lump. Never driven a jeep. Peter Me neither, though I was an ardent fan of off-roading back in the 'eighties with both short & long WB Land Rovers. Best was, believe it or not, a S3 109 safari with the (now rare) straight 6 .. amazing torque at low revs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 3 hours ago, 7VHU said: Yep, the 80” with the 1600 cc could give the jeep a good run for its money and I’ll bet a few more miles on a tank of petrol. I do miss my S1. Defender’s ok but it’s a big complicated lump. Never driven a jeep. Peter You sit on a Rover , you sit in a Jeep (and Champ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 YOU bounce in a jeep and land - rover you glide in a champ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman 02 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 1 hour ago, wally dugan said: YOU bounce in a jeep and land - rover you glide in a champ Drove Champs back in the 'sixties when I was on the night shift for a 'well known' security organisation. The petroleum industry customer used to have a couple of these vehicles for site perimeter patrols (8 miles) I remembered how comfortable they were when I started owning/driving Land Rovers a few years later 😉 The Champs ability to provide a stable gun platform whilst off road was it's undoing, as squadies could abuse the vehicle in a way that wasn't possible with a LR if they wanted to remain in control of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 6 hours ago, wally dugan said: YOU bounce in a jeep and land - rover you glide in a champ And even with the 'torque reaction spring upgrade' - the Jeep still bounced in the ditch. Even with the supposed never resolved transmission problems , I still rate the Champ the best of the three - shame about body corrosion , however that seemed not a problem during service life. Champ - forgetting the £ cost obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman 02 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 21 minutes ago, ruxy said: And even with the 'torque reaction spring upgrade' - the Jeep still bounced in the ditch. Even with the supposed never resolved transmission problems , I still rate the Champ the best of the three - shame about body corrosion , however that seemed not a problem during service life. Champ - forgetting the £ cost obviously. The cost of developing the Champ was, I believe, born by the M.O.S & by definition the public purse, unlike the LR that was a private enterprise. Comparing body corrosion with LR's (pundits used to say ''they are made of alloy, so they don't rust'' .. yeah right) would make an interesting bar-room discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 War Booty or 'reparations' - there was a difference. I came actoss something interesting in a book - The Paperclip Conspiracy by Tom Bower 1987 (from page 185) , however this info. needs further research - concerning a new Jeep Plant proposed for County Durham. QUOTE. The first delegation of motor engineers , led by H.E. Merritt of the Nuffield Organisation, in the summer of 1946, reported that the VW's machine tools 'contains a nucleus of the greatest value to the British Motor Industry and we strongly recommend that bids ... be entered on behalf of Great Britain'. Merritt wanted the machinery to equip a new jeep plant in County Durham, but his plan was blocked by the Commissionwho ordered a four-year freeze, until 1949, on any removals. ---------------------- The Commission was the Control Commision - who used many thousands of VW Beetles within Germany. The British Army - a major had got Wolfsburg back into production. So the question(s) - was this the line for production of the Kublewagen & Schwimmwagen ? that would be shifted to Co. Durham ? Or was H.E. Merritt interested in machine tools & presses to start up production in U.K. of a Willys MBV / Ford GPW ? after obtaining a build license / sets of tooling ? ----------------------- Dr. H.E. Merritt ( originally a designer for David Brown Tractors) was involved with the Nuffield Universal tractor production - former Wolseley car factory at B'ham. This was a post WW2 recovery programme for industry/employment. It does seem this Jeep project was based on some fact(s) and the author Tom Bower was not mistaken , of course even then Jeep was a 'generic' term for any light 4x4 , so it could have been a totally new Jeep and well prior to the Wilks Bros. excluse BIG idea ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10FM68 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 On 5/27/2024 at 1:20 AM, goanna said: IMHO The LR wins this trial https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/1060035155 Another trial in tropical Australia https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/1060035161 What an interesting couple of videos. It seems almost sacrilegious to be treating such vehicles in that way - but then, they weren't nearly 80 years old when the film was made! I thought the Land Rover did well and the Champ's performance in Australia seemed exceptional and certainly the drivers seemed to be enjoying themsleves. What a shame the Humber was less impressive. But, what a time you chose to put up a cross-country video of a Land Rover - I've just had to sell mine, much to my dismay, as I can't manage the pedals safely any more due to a dodgy hip! So first, and last photos of it on this forum by way of farewell! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman 02 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) Sorry to hear that, any hopes that the hip could be helped by surgery? I've had both knees replaced, but not needed a hip (yet) Edited May 28 by norseman 02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10FM68 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 6 hours ago, norseman 02 said: Sorry to hear that, any hopes that the hip could be helped by surgery? I've had both knees replaced, but not needed a hip (yet) Thanks for that. I've had both hips replaced but one has been playing up - jumped out a few times which made me wince I can tell you! There are plans to have a look at what's going on with it next month, actually, but, after a year without driving at all, it seemed best to let it go to someone who will use it. I hope to be able to manage an automatic or something with plenty of leg room, but I can't manage to lift my foot from the acelerator to the brake on the Land Rover as it's too large a movement and that's not a brilliant situation to be in on the road! But, I enjoyed it while I had it and the rebuild was probably the best part anyway. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupert condick Posted yesterday at 06:56 AM Share Posted yesterday at 06:56 AM The Jeep plant in the UK, the Kublewaggon was the better performer than the jeep, the Wartime exchange rate being 2 Jeeps for one Kulbel, and offered a lot more protection.So maybe that was the hold up? I did some scary things in my Old 1950 SI, great for farm work, could jump in and out of hedges, grind barley, ted a field, I had a lightweight, it just ploughed into the ground rather than skimming along the top , series II were too wide for the hedge maneuverers best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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