phil munga Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 Hi all , I've just got an invitation to view a few vehicles hopefully this week ,, one of the vehicles a Morris commercials is described as an older gun tractor with fluted bonnet and external steering box 6X6 with winch ,, anyone got an idea to the age going by the description ,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 Hi all , I've just got an invitation to view a few vehicles hopefully this week ,, one of the vehicles a Morris commercials is described as an older gun tractor with fluted bonnet and external steering box 6X6 with winch ,, anyone got an idea to the age going by the description ,, That Morris sounds like a CDSW, but not 6x6, it would be 6x4. They were built from late 30's into early war period I think, judging by contarcts list. There was one in preservation in the North of England some years ago, forget where now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil munga Posted December 28, 2009 Author Share Posted December 28, 2009 Hi, "Richard don't think this ones in preservation" think he has some vehicles that are tucked away , one is a Leyland Hippo said to have come from someone that got it from the last sales that Ruddingtons held /what year would that be? he also has a Humber , not sure what type , But I've got plenty of rechargeable batteries for my camera plus a spare camera for this visit as there'll be plenty of stuff of great interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 Hi, "Richard don't think this ones in preservation" think he has some vehicles that are tucked away , one is a Leyland Hippo said to have come from someone that got it from the last sales that Ruddingtons held /what year would that be? Phil, Sounds interesting. The last Ruddington sale was 1983, there were a few Hippos in service just before then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Would be interested to see the pics of the Morris Phil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefano Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 That Morris sounds like a CDSW, but not 6x6, it would be 6x4. They were built from late 30's into early war period I think, judging by contarcts list. There was one in preservation in the North of England some years ago, forget where now. Should be something like this.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefano Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 ...or this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil munga Posted December 29, 2009 Author Share Posted December 29, 2009 Hi , I've not sorted which day I'll be going yet but will get plenty pics ,,,is there anyone on this forum with one of the 6 wheelers ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Hi , I've not sorted which day I'll be going yet but will get plenty pics ,,,is there anyone on this forum with one of the 6 wheelers ? Phil, Stefano lists a CDFW ( 6x4 ) on the bottom of his posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil munga Posted December 30, 2009 Author Share Posted December 30, 2009 Phil, Stefano lists a CDFW ( 6x4 ) on the bottom of his posts. it takes some following knowing all the different names and numbers , like the C8 quads cdfw cd/sw I'll take the pics and let folk on the forum put a name to them because a lot of the time the people that own these machines may not know the proper name or number/initials , going to look up for some restoration threads on them next and the four wheel type just to get an idea of the chassis layout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Signals Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 This link shows the one 'oop North' probably referred to by Richard http://www.yorkshiremvt.co.uk/articles/25pounder/25pounder.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil munga Posted December 30, 2009 Author Share Posted December 30, 2009 Thats a nice looking truck thanks for the link , don't know what condition the one I've located is in , it may have been left outside for a number of years , Just need some good weather for the day out now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil munga Posted January 3, 2010 Author Share Posted January 3, 2010 Hi all , On the C8 & CD/SW Morris Comercials I take it there's going to be a couple of identerfication plates plus chassis numbers , where and which of these would be best to identify these vehicles ? Hopefully will be able to see the vehicles early this week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Hi all , On the C8 & CD/SW Morris Comercials I take it there's going to be a couple of identerfication plates plus chassis numbers , where and which of these would be best to identify these vehicles ? Hopefully will be able to see the vehicles early this week Phil, The CDSW should be easy to identify, with the pics of them on this thread, they have six cyl engine, front like a CS8 and six wheelers with winch, there is a recovery and gun tractor versions. C8 is a four wheel drive. There are plates on the dashboard ( orginally) which is the army plate and another on the engine side of bulkhead which is makers data plate ( if still there or readable). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 And a german operated one? Rebodied?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runflat Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 As in the earlier photographs, only the bofors gun tractor had a full piece windscreen, so it is obviously converted from one of them. No doubt captured in France, 1940. The field gun tractor and recovery versions both had aero screens (for the driver only). A CDSW came up for sale recently on Milweb - described in October's Classic Military Vehicle magazine as "needing a little love and care sold within hours of the advert appearing." I wonder if it is the same one back on the market already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runflat Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Some nice footage of the field artillery tractor here: http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=20723 And of the bofors tractor, right at the end here: http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=75281 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil munga Posted January 3, 2010 Author Share Posted January 3, 2010 (edited) Many thanks for all your replies , at the moment it seams the snow is coming in from the east coast making it difficult for me to make a visit , don't want to get there to find the vehicles covered in snow, Richard I was thinking there might have been more model types than that ,, Runflat , I think the chap that has this one has had it for a long time possibly a few decades ,he also has a few other MVs but I don't know any details about these yet , Great film footage Edited January 3, 2010 by phil munga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Richard I was thinking there might have been more model types than that ,, Phil, There are a number of different types of 6x4, that preceded the CDSW, but the angular bonneted one ( same look as a CS8) would seem to be CDSW. Best to take a look at Bart Vanderveen's Fighting Vehicle Directory if you have it to hand, because it is pretty comprehensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefano Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 (edited) Richard I was thinking there might have been more model types than that Well, the other CD/SW variant is of course the Light Aid Detachment model, which is probably the most numerous. I know of at least five survivors but there are without doubt more. The the list of the CD chassis codes is:- CD 4 cylinder engine, normal control CD/F 4 cylinder engine, forward control CD/FW 4 cylinder engine, forward control, winch CD/SW 6 cylinder engine, normal control, winch The one that looks a bit worse for wear is mine, as you will have imagined Edited January 3, 2010 by Stefano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Good looking project Stefano. Phil, if you decide you dont want it, pass on the details! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil munga Posted January 3, 2010 Author Share Posted January 3, 2010 Thanks for the details and great pics Stefano and that project of yours looks very nice , Rick , i'm not sure of the condition as yet and had a few people asking , but there might be a four wheel Morris ( posably like the one you just sold ) that could be striped for body parts ? , , Question is how much will the 6 wheeler weigh for transporting ?, I've been trying to find out but nothing as yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runflat Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 The bofors tractor is said to weigh 3 ton 12 3/4 cwt unladen (data book of wheeled vehicles). The field artillery tractor is going to be somewhere thereabouts as well. I'm not surprised that there's been a bit of interest in this opportunity - Morris six wheelers don't come up for sale very often. Just to put you off a bit :-D they have a complicated WD pattern worm drive rear bogie, which means they don't go very quickly either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefano Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Thanks for the details and great pics Stefano and that project of yours looks very nice Cheers Actually it's a complete tip, but I love it alot. I'm still doing the engine (taking me forever...). I think you'll find that short of the wheels and possibly the radiator there's very little in common between the C8 and CD/SW. Even between a CD/SW and a CS8 only the front end is common. From the dashboard back everything changes, gearbox, frame, axles, you name it. Typical. I think that a L.A.D weighs about 3 1/2 tons, the Bofors probably more, the 25pdr maybe less. If for any reason you're not smitten with it please let me know, like I said, love 'em Here's a pic of the engine as it stands.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil munga Posted January 4, 2010 Author Share Posted January 4, 2010 The bofors tractor is said to weigh 3 ton 12 3/4 cwt unladen (data book of wheeled vehicles). The field artillery tractor is going to be somewhere thereabouts as well. I'm not surprised that there's been a bit of interest in this opportunity - Morris six wheelers don't come up for sale very often. Just to put you off a bit :-D they have a complicated WD pattern worm drive rear bogie, which means they don't go very quickly either. This was one part that I have been trying to find pictures of the rear axle arrangement , going by what your saying do they just have the one diff or two live axles with the top worm transferring drive from the front to the rear axle ? the other deciding factor will be the price Stefano that engine looks more like an ornament and looks as though all thats needed now is to paint the frame that its fixed on , you've made a nice job of it , a bit heavier than I first thought- bit much to go behind a Land Rover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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