Jack Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Lee - you are nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave C Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 For your infomation Lee and extracxt from a seach on AFS NFS. The enemy found that when bombing large cities an aircraft full with incendary bombs could do far more damage than a few heavy high explosive bombs. During the Blitz the civilian fire service was not large enough to deal with the scale of fires caused by enemy bombing. Extra firefighters were recruited into the new Auxilliary Fire Service to suppliment the Regional Forces. The AFS amalgamated with regional forces in August 1941 to form the National Fire Service After WW11 the Fire Services Act 1947 returned fire brigades in Scotland to local authority control, on the 1st of April 1948. But due to the cold war the AFS was reformed under the civil defence act 1949 http://www.civildefenceassociation.org.uk/HistCDWebA5V5.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
private mw Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 nice one keep us posted your a braver man than me :sweat: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted October 13, 2009 Author Share Posted October 13, 2009 Lee - you are nuts. It helps :nut: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted October 13, 2009 Author Share Posted October 13, 2009 Thanks for the history lessons chaps :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted October 13, 2009 Author Share Posted October 13, 2009 This is when GXH 433 went to Southend. Afraid I don't know its WW2 location. Hope this gives you a clearer timeline/ now searching boxes of about 5,000 piccies to try and locate one I know I have !!! filing system what filing system TED Thanks Ted, great help... is there anyway of tracing it's WW2 History? Cheers Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markheliops Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Spot on Lee - Can I presume this was what we were talking about last week. Not sure if this is what you may be looking for but: Brockhouse Trailer with Coventry Climax Featherweight pump Complete with tool kit, ladder and suction pipes. Good condition but needs new canvas. Engine last used 3 years ago. £750 ono. 07768 518 770 David Walker Looking forward to seeing how you get on. Markheliops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted angus Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Thanks Ted, great help... is there anyway of tracing it's WW2 History? Cheers Lee Lee been trying to answer that one for several years !! I looked through 3,000 photos last night still not found the shot of it at Southend BUT I do have one somewhere I note mention of the Brockhouse trailer and featherweight pump in a later message wrong era for your machine. In WW2 servicve it could have towed one of a dozen types of pump; In post 1948 AFS service it would have pulled an ex NFS trailer pump issued from Store a Large Dennis, Coventry Climax FF500 or a Coventry climax FSM. The Dennis or FF500 most likely as the FSM was a lower capacity pump; The Brockhouse trailer equipped as mention in MARKHELIOPS message is 1977 item. Hundreds purchased as field telephone line layers for the reconstituted AFS & CD, delivered in the early/mid 1950s. During the national strike in 1977 the HO equipped 110 of these trailers in store with an FWP and kit as rural pumping units to supplement the Goddesses to be used in rural areas had the part time (retained) firemen gone on strike also-- luckily they didn't !! These remained in store until 1997 when all but a handful were auctioned at Measham. the last handfull passed through Withams in 2005/6. A great little unit but not authentic for either WW2 or post 1948 AFS for your ATV. TED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted October 13, 2009 Author Share Posted October 13, 2009 Cheers for the info on the pump Ted (cheers Mark for thinking of me).. Is there a CES list for the ATV?? so I know what bits of kit to look out for.. I think I will be putting it back to it's WW2 spec.. Cheers Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted angus Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 THe CES was in fire service speak an inventory; The inventory was actually for the pump it towed ! however I do have both a Large trailer pump inventory and a Home Office stowage plan dated 1943. I will scan them tonight and post them for you TED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snapper Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 It's an aside, but I do remember an ex-London Transport K2 on the show scene - it was in the old Green colour used presumably for London Country areas. I never knew if it was built on an ambulance or fire vehicle chassis, but thinking about it - some sort of NFS version would probably be favourable. MB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted angus Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Mark I think this is the one talked about recently on another forum. Pretty sure the answer was it had never been an LT vehicle. its reg is FYY413 seems it may have started life as a military pattern ambulance but in service with an ROF or similar. Lots of military pattern K2 ambulances ebtered service from new with non military organisations in WW2 TED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted October 13, 2009 Author Share Posted October 13, 2009 Austin Towing Vehicle ex NFS. Later type with Shrapnel roof panels. So would these panels be wrong for a WW2 era vehicle? when did these panels come in? were they fiited after the war?? Don't look like they woulb be capable of stopping any shrapnel & why only on the roof & not the sides? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave C Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 The first batch of ATV's had only a thin ply roof covered in a felt to waterproof. No thought had been given to falling shrapnel and debris. This was very quickly spotted and the shrapnell lining was then installed on all new ATV's and as a retro fit to ones in service. My Dad I remember had told me it took 4 firemen just over three days.to fit then to the 20 ATV's that were deliverd to his district stations I belive that 2 NFS firemen were killed in one of the early no shrapnell lined ATV's that had been sent in to London from Kent, to assist in firefighting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runflat Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 If you do a Goggle search under 'GXH433' there is a mysterious defunct link to an ebay item: 1943 AUSTIN ATV WITH CREW & HARLAND TRAILER PUMP. It looks like it was a photograph of some kind. Kinda frustrating not knowing what exactly it was - but it may only have been a picture of it in the ownersip of a previous preservationist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted angus Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 As promised see attached this is the stowage it didn't cover all the items but was an attempt on standardisation of stowage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted angus Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 here is the inventory for an ex NFS pump issued to the post 1948 AFS; from note I took at the Scottish Office archives other items were added; The stowage labels found in your vehicle possibly reflect when it was in use purely as a GP and post running as a tow vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 Cheers Ted, that a great help... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 Spent a couple of hours down there today whipped out the plugs, point & condensor... hope fully picking up new ones tomorrow. Cleaned the fuel pump out & took off the carb to give it a clean out.. Found the starting handle behind the seats & used it to turn the engine over no problem.. One of the core plugs had blown just behind the distributor, anyone happen to know what size this is?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Price's..........a blast from the past, later known as BP oils. Name changed around 1954. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 Forgot to ask, what are the correct spark plugs? It was fitted with 6 different plugs:confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runflat Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Try the Green Spark Plug Co: http://www.gsparkplug.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 Try the Green Spark Plug Co: http://www.gsparkplug.com/ Cheers, finding them is not the problem, just don't know which are the correct ones..:confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runflat Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Manual says: KLG "Corundite" type FE30X (long reach); Lodge CB14; or Champion N8. Gap 0.018-in to 0.020-in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 Manual says: KLG "Corundite" type FE30X (long reach); Lodge CB14; or Champion N8. Gap 0.018-in to 0.020-in Cheers Mate :tup:: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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