Guest rachel Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Hi all, can anyone help. I am starting the motions in getting her road reg, but does anyone have any suggestions on the m.o.t . Whats the best catagry to have her in for exemption!! as riot vehicle is a class 4 m.o.t and i dont want to go down that road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 (edited) Ours is registerd as a minibus (Ferret was a Saloon, Fox is a Specialist vehicle)... doesn't matter what it is registered as to fill in the V112G (MOT Exemption)... they will not register it as MOT exempt, you have to declare that each year when you tax it.. Edited March 4, 2009 by Marmite!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rachel Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 in registering it did you do it as historic for tax excempt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Both the Pig & Ferret under Historic.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 To be exempt, it has to be a goods vehicle. Armoured van! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rachel Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 tryed that one with vosa department of m.o.t ,as armoured and they said no!! but i have to send in photos and info in to them, and in the photos she has no seats in the back so i will push the point of armoured ammo carrier maybe!! any thoughts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Try and keep away from pointing out that it's armoured and unusual. Fill out the form with as few details as possible, and the best bet is to take the documents to a DVLA local office. Deal with someone direct, it's much easier than explaining it on the phone. Take photos but don't show them unless you need to. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Elkins Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I went through all this with mine. better to go to DVLA and do it in person, then any discrepancies can be sorted there and then. I also rang them like you and had the same response NO. just sign the self declaration exemption form and say no more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 But what exemption are you claiming? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Elkins Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 On the form i dont think you have to state the catagory it falls into, I think it was just the reg number and your signature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 But you have to sign saying you are claiming one of the following, it then gives a short list. If you had to stand up and say why it is exempt, what do you say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
84KB11 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 The reverse of the V112G exemption form lists the categories for claiming. If your vehicle fits one of these (you choose which one), then you just fill in the vehicles registration number and sign. Hand this in with your application for tax and insurance cert, and the post office will give you the tax disc. For example, I used option 28 (track-laying vehicles) for the CVRT. The responsibility for the declaration is yours. If you make a false declaration, then you are legally responsible if anything goes wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 To be exempt, it has to be a goods vehicle. Armoured van! I don't believe it has to be.. (or how are you defining Goods Vehicle?) 1. A current test certificate or certificate of temporary exemption must be produced with an application for a heavy goods vehicle if the vehicle is one to which section 53(2) of the Road Traffic Act 1988 applies by virtue of the Goods Vehicles (Plating and Testing) Regulations 1988. In cases of doubt, the Regulations should be consulted, but their general effect is that goods vehicles over 3500kgs gross weight (revenue weight for Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) purposes) are subject to testing 2. Classes of vehicle to which Section 53(2) does not apply are specified in the Schedule to the Regulations (see overleaf).If you consider your vehicle meets one of these descriptions, you must complete the declaration on the relicensing application (V10/V11) and submit one of these forms for exemption on each occasion that a licence is applied for. 3. Some vehicles which would normally require to have test certificates may be specially exempted if used on a road for a purpose set out in Regulation 44(1) or within the limits set out in Regulation 44(2) of the Goods Vehicles (Plating and Testing) Regulations 1988. Plenty on the list under schedule 2 that I wouldn't consider as goods vehicles, here a few.. 2. Mobile cranes as defined in Schedule 3 of the 1971 Act. 13. Living vans the Design Gross Weights of which does not exceed 3500kgs 19. Public Service Vehicles (as defined in Section 1 of the Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981 (b). 20. Licensed taxis (as defined in Section 13(3) of the Transport Act 1985 ©. 21. Vehicles used solely for the purpose of funerals. 36. Play buses. http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Diol1/DoItOnline/DG_10015767?IdcService=GET_FILE&dID=84247&Rendition=Web Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Elkins Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 (edited) Mine is a ambulance, which is on there. It also exceeds 3500 ton. Ill cross that bridge when it comes. Edited March 4, 2009 by Adam Elkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I was assuming we were talking about a Humber Pig and so also assumed (dangerous!) that the exemption being claimed was the 'goods vehicle, pre 1960, used unladen'. Most of the exemptions on the back don't cover a Pig, is this the category people have in mind? I define a goods vehicle as a vehicle designed or adapted for the carriage of goods, actually that is how the ministry define it but that will do! If the Pig has seats in, surely it's not a goods vehicle...? If no seats, it's a van, which is a goods vehicle. Problem solved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I was assuming we were talking about a Humber Pig and so also assumed (dangerous!) that the exemption being claimed was the 'goods vehicle, pre 1960, used unladen'. Most of the exemptions on the back don't cover a Pig, is this the category people have in mind? I define a goods vehicle as a vehicle designed or adapted for the carriage of goods, actually that is how the ministry define it but that will do! If the Pig has seats in, surely it's not a goods vehicle...? If no seats, it's a van, which is a goods vehicle. Problem solved? How about a hearse then... you can't call a body "Goods" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Elkins Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 You could of added the seats, as its not used as a goods vehicle anymore. same as old trucks converted into campers for the rally scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 (edited) Mine is a ambulance, which is on there. It also exceeds 3500 ton.Ill cross that bridge when it comes. Be careful... Vehicle Excise and Registration Act (VERA) 1994 An ambulance is defined in Schedule 2 of the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act (VERA) 1994 as a vehicle which: - a) is constructed or adapted for no purpose other than the carriage of sick, injured or disabled people to and from welfare centres or places where medical or dental treatment is given. b) Is readily identifiable as a vehicle used for the carriage of such people by being marked “Ambulance” on both sides. When the DVLA came down recently to inspect a 101 Ambulance (not mine) he turned down the application until he had seen it fitted with a fully working radio set, & kitted out clearly as an Ambulance, he handed over a sheet stating what must be done to register as an Ambulance & stated that once registered it could be used for no other purposes.. I think the size of the word "Ambulance" is stated in the regs too.. Edited March 4, 2009 by Marmite!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
84KB11 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Just re-read the form, and think they may have changed the wording a bit. Option 30 reads: "Motor vehicles first used before 1st January 1960, used unladen and not drawing a laden trailer, and trailers manufactured before 1st January 1960 and used unladen. For the purposes of this paragraph any determination as to when a motor vehicle is first used shall be made as provided in regulation 3(3) of the Construction and Use Regulations." So it does not specifically state "Goods Vehicle" according to the V112G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 So it does not specifically state "Goods Vehicle" according to the V112G. I think thats what schedule 2 is all about, the list on the reverse of the form are all under schedule 2.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
84KB11 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Ahh, that makes sense, should have spotted the title at the top of the page says "goods vehicles(plating&testing). Been a long day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 With reference to the ambulance. Under VERA 1994 & the statement by the DVLA official that "once registered it could be used for no other purpose". Therefore suggests that you need to have a sick, injured or disabled person permanently installed wherever you go, to verify it was being used for no other purpose. Once it is empty you are not using it for the carriage of sick, injured or disabled persons. Therefore the conditions are breached, so the DVLA official's interpretation doesn't hold water? I could understand the interpretation, if it said it should not modified for any other purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Elkins Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 If the vehicle was a FV1600 GS 1ton truck, would that be exempt??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 You can simply declare the vehicle is outside the scope of schedule 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 You can simply declare the vehicle is outside the scope of schedule 2 But you must be able to prove that if you have an accident or stopped... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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