What's this vehicle...

[Marmite!!]

What's this? taken in Aden.. certainly not a Pig.. is it?

[fv1609]

What's this? taken in Aden.. certainly not a Pig.. is it?

 

Well not a Humber Pig. But it may well have been known as a Pig. When you speak to veterans of the Malayan Emergency they refer to a Pig as an armoured Bedford RL which flats sides, I wonder if this mine-deflecting vehicle in Aden is a Bedford?

[Richard Farrant]

Well not a Humber Pig. But it may well have been known as a Pig. When you speak to veterans of the Malayan Emergency they refer to a Pig as an armoured Bedford RL which flats sides, I wonder if this mine-deflecting vehicle in Aden is a Bedford?

 

It looks like the crew are wearing fez's, so is it serving with the Aden police? I would say it is based on a Bedford RL, looking at the driving position.

 

The first Malayan ones were built on CMP Fords or Chevs and the "snout nose" of those trucks might have been how the name Pig was started.

[Marmite!!]

It looks like the crew are wearing fez's, so is it serving with the Aden police?

 

The head dress is of the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders...

[fv1609]

The first Malayan ones were built on CMP Fords or Chevs and the "snout nose" of those trucks might have been how the name Pig was started.

 

I've only seen pics of the Malayan RL ones & they look pretty snouty. Although it may be a comment on the handling or a reflection of the comfort within the vehicle. David Fletcher once told me there was type of vehicle used in Malaya called The Bastard.

[Richard Farrant]

David Fletcher once told me there was type of vehicle used in Malaya called The Bastard.

 

Clive,

 

I have called Humber Pig's that name when working on them at times

[radiomike7]

http://www.motorsnippets.com/news_item_museums.asp?articleid=480

 

Click on bottom left pic and read text.

[fv1609]

Clive, I have called Humber Pig's that name when working on them at times

 

Please leave the room, I don't think we need that sort of talk here.

[Richard Farrant]

Please leave the room, I don't think we need that sort of talk here.

 

:rofl::rofl:

 

I know how to provoke a response from you, Clive :-D

[fv1609]

I know how to provoke a response from you, Clive :-D

 

Ah so you were just teasing, oh that's alright then.

 

I knew an experienced & skilled automotive craftsman such as yourself working for one of the leading companies specialising in restorations for the discerning collector would never stoop so low as to the use foul or contemptuous references to a variant of the endangered FV1600 species.

[Richard Farrant]

I knew an experienced & skilled automotive craftsman such as yourself working for one of the leading companies specialising in restorations for the discerning collector would never stoop so low as to the use foul or contemptuous references to a variant of the endangered FV1600 species.

 

:-D:-D:-D

Thanks for that Clive, very much appreciated :tup::

 

 

 

( PS cheque is in post with your Christmas card)

[gazzaw]

The head dress is of the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders...

 

Commonly known as a Glengarry with red/white chequered pattern all around it

 

Gazzaw

[ian2b]

Bedford RL Pig "APC"

 

Body manufactured at 40 Base W/Shops,Singapore and mounted on Bedford RL chassis,carrying capacity 20 persons.

http://askari_mb.tripod.com/id38.htm

 

I want one :cool2:

[radiomike7]

Bedford RL Pig "APC"

 

Body manufactured at 40 Base W/Shops,Singapore and mounted on Bedford RL chassis,carrying capacity 20 persons.

 

http://askari_mb.tripod.com/id38.htm

 

I want one :cool2:

 

You'll be lucky, apparently only 2 were brought back to the UK with one at Bordon.

[Marmite!!]

Bedford RL Pig "APC"

 

 

I want one :cool2:

 

That can be arranged, about time your RL had a face lift :cool2:

[ian2b]

You'll be lucky, apparently only 2 were brought back to the UK with one at Bordon.

 

Going back about 8-9 years ago i was offered an armoured RL that needed a fair amount of welding and restoration but at that time i was just looking for a straight forward RL now looking back i wish i had gone for it, we live and learn. :cry:

[Runflat]

These Bedford RL 'Pigs' were the subject of various letters in the early days of Military Machine International:

 

Dec 2001 (p5); Jan 2002 (p9) (25BR02); Feb 2002 (p9); and March 2002 (p9) (37BJ35).

 

Registration marks in other photographs I've seen include 39BJ11 and 40BJ02. Any others to add to the list? Apparantly only 22 were made, but there is some doubt over this.

 

The vehicle shown in the Dec 2001 edition looks like the one now in the REME collection. What happened to the Budge example?

[Runflat]

Vanderveen's "MV Directory from 1945" shows 38BJ90 and his "Bedford and Vauxhall Military Vehicles" book shows 37BJ36; 39BJ54 and 20BR38 also get a mention. He says this about them:

 

First introduced in the Far East, where they had been built in the British Army's REME Base Workshops in Singapore for use in Malaya, these armoured trucks were based on reworked R-type chassis, reinforced and fitted with beefed-up springs and 12.00-20 tyres to cope with the increased weight. Available pictures show registration numbers of the BJ-series, which had been early production GS trucks with the high-mounted headlamps. Later models appeared in Aden, but these looked identical and had probably been brought from Malaya.

Edited December 16, 2008 by Runflat

[Runflat]

Another one of these (38BJ79) appears in Wheels and Tracks #58, page 40.

[fv1609]

David Fletcher once told me there was type of vehicle used in Malaya called The Bastard.

 

Looking through an old Soldier dated 1950 I see it actually describes the role of The Bastard.

 

A couple of partially armoured 3-Tonners travel at the front of the convoy. The first comes under attack, men in the rear of the trucks spring into action returning fire. One of the crew fires a phosphorous grenade from an adapted rifle at the attackers in the hope of burning them & setting fire to the surrounding jungle to identify their position. The lead vehicle can be equipped with an electrically operated smoke generator to add to the confusion for the attackers.

 

The Bastard travelling at the rear of the convoy drives forward to the smoky area that identifies the position of the attackers. The Bastard operates its flame thrower that causes the attackers to flee as "The bandit is not a fighting type"

[fesm_ndt]

A couple of different armoured Malayan conflict vehicles, plus a RL pig http://www.mymalayagallery.co.uk/transport.html

Edited April 21, 2013 by fesm_ndt

[fv1609]

In that sequence what is described as a Bedford has the same profile as The Bastard & is rather different to what we generally know as a Bedford Pig.

 

The Austin truck looked like a Morris MRA1.

[montie]

What's this? taken in Aden.. certainly not a Pig.. is it?

 

It does remind me of the South African versions as used by the police , started of with the Hippo, then Casspir and Wolf Turbo. I am not a boffin on these and have never ridden in one as the army never used them, or that I know of.

Here is a link to compare: https://www.google.co.za/search?q=casspir+apc&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=iyJ0UciRHYPIhAeljYHIBQ&sqi=2&ved=0CDwQsAQ&biw=1755&bih=873

Edited April 21, 2013 by montie

[Richard Farrant]

In that sequence what is described as a Bedford has the same profile as The Bastard & is rather different to what we generally know as a Bedford Pig.

 

The Austin truck looked like a Morris MRA1.

 

 

Hi Clive,

The first one of those APC's is based on the Bedford RL, but another one some photos later is based on the Canadian Ford F60L or Chev C60L. Also a GM-Canada C15TA armoured truck and a Morris Light Recce car.

[fv1609]

Here is The Bastard with flame thrower in operation.

 

 

 

 

Yes I agree Richard I think it is the third image at the start of the vehicles that looks like a Bedford.

 

It is the vehicle much later in the sequence is of one of the other types you described. What I was criticising was that it was captioned "Bedford Armoured Truck" but looks like The Bastard. The profile of course looks quite different from the usual profile of a Bedford Pig below.