Neilik15 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Its been a good sunny day here in kent today so i decided to do some work on my scammell. I took the Kids with me down the yard to give them a bit of fresh air and a ball to keep them occupied. I had been replacing some of the wood on the boxes at the back when i herd an almighty bang as the ball the kids were kicking bashed the nearside door. after shouting some demanding words at them like, clear off! i got down and had a look to see if it had damaged any thing and noticed a small bit of blue paint and a black line showing on the door. the ball had chipped off a bit of paint on the door so i got out a plastic scraper and continued to chip off the old hard paint to reveal this. Has any one got any ideas on what it is? it uncovered a bit more of its history which i probably would not of found, My apologies Kids!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilik15 Posted January 29, 2015 Author Share Posted January 29, 2015 Would I be right to assume from the response that this is not an original military marking and just something some one has put on years ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Ramsden Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I'm not so sure. It looks fairly authentic but I couldn't find it in my reference books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltwtbarmy Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 The annoying thing is that I have the exact same badge. It came in a box which my father in law kept when he wound up his antiques business. I have never been able to find out what it is. Apologies for it being sideways. Have no idea how to rotate the picture. The badge is brass, and has two bendable pins on the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 the badge which looks like a british vehicle sign is in fact BELGIAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 the metal badge is sometimes mistaken for a british collar dog by collectors of such military items Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltwtbarmy Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 the badge which looks like a british vehicle sign is in fact BELGIAN Good to know. So what does it signify? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 l know very little about about the Belgian army markings so cannot add any more but we have forum members from that country who may be able to help my guess would be engineers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean N Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 A pair in this American eBay listing, no detail though: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Lot-of-2-Lightning-Bolt-Gear-Wheel-Military-Loop-Back-Insignia-Devices-/391010494880 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels v Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) Possibly Belgium Army: Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers, REME http://militarybadgecollection.com/2010/12/02/belgium-army-badges-part-4.htm Edited February 1, 2015 by Niels v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Ramsden Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 the badge which looks like a british vehicle sign is in fact BELGIAN Well spotted, Wally! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltwtbarmy Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 What I find interesting is that whilst the lightning flash spacing on the door badge is similar to the one on the belgian badges, it seems that the lightning bolts pass UNDER the wheel on the right hand side, which is similar to the british badge shown in Wally's scan. Maybe a scan of the badge alone from Wally might shed more light. I must confess that without knowing the history of this particular vehicle, I can only surmise. I love these mysteries! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean N Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 ... which is similar to the british badge shown in Wally's scan. The text that refers to that badge, while partly missing in Wally's scan, says something like 'What appea[rs to be a] British collar [badge is actually] Belgian. Take care!' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 The text reads[ what appears to be a british collar dog is in fact Belgian Take care ] so SEAN IS CORRECT the book it is from is BADGES OF THE BRITISH ARMY 1820 TO THE PRESENT by F WILKINSON the sign may have been painted by one of its former owners so may not be 100 percent accurate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilik15 Posted February 1, 2015 Author Share Posted February 1, 2015 Just to go over the history of my scammell that I know. I brought it back from Belgium to the uk last year 2014. it came over with the reg number DEA768 on the vehicle and on its Belgium log book and chassis number 5343 which is present on the vehicle. From what I have been told by DVLA and others on here DEA768 was issued as a civilian reg number in West Bromwich uk 1948. So presumably after the war it came back home and was sold in to civvy street. The Belgium reg document it came over with states, ( registered 1984 Belgium ). I think this is when it last hanged hands before me. The years in between are un known to me at the present time. Neil What I find interesting is that whilst the lightning flash spacing on the door badge is similar to the one on the belgian badges, it seems that the lightning bolts pass UNDER the wheel on the right hand side, which is similar to the british badge shown in Wally's scan. Maybe a scan of the badge alone from Wally might shed more light. I must confess that without knowing the history of this particular vehicle, I can only surmise. I love these mysteries! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestarmer Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Just to go over the history of my scammell that I know. I brought it back from Belgium to the uk last year 2014. it came over with the reg number DEA768 on the vehicle and on its Belgium log book and chassis number 5343 which is present on the vehicle. From what I have been told by DVLA and others on here DEA768 was issued as a civilian reg number in West Bromwich uk 1948. So presumably after the war it came back home and was sold in to civvy street. The Belgium reg document it came over with states, ( registered 1984 Belgium ). I think this is when it last hanged hands before me. The years in between are un known to me at the present time. Neil While this is a rather late response, the clue of the origin of the badge may lie in the base colour. That base colour is Khaki Green No.3 which came into use in mid 1939 and was phased out during 1941 into '42. The badge was therefore applied during that period and subsequently over painted several times if the cracked off layers of paint are any guide. It would be helpful to know when the Scammell was built and the contract number for the run. Any idea of the WD serial? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeePig Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 How about: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BELGIAN-MILITARY-COMMS-REGIMENT-CAP-BADGE-/381160702084?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item58bef2c084 trevor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 From what NEIL says about the SCAMMELLs history first it was sold before the use of the pre war 1949 numbering system the fact that the BELGIAN army sign is on top of what has been called the khaki green number three should not come as a surprise as it spent time in BELGIUM I would speculate that it was put on there by a former owner while in BELGIUM From what information l have found this corp was formed in February 1945 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilik15 Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 Thanks for your efforts on this. the log book states built 1943 and going from the info I've received on here according to its chassis number its contract number S3164 Military number H 5545293. Neil. While this is a rather late response, the clue of the origin of the badge may lie in the base colour. That base colour is Khaki Green No.3 which came into use in mid 1939 and was phased out during 1941 into '42. The badge was therefore applied during that period and subsequently over painted several times if the cracked off layers of paint are any guide. It would be helpful to know when the Scammell was built and the contract number for the run. Any idea of the WD serial? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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