MHillyard Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Hi All Sorry if this has been asked before. I have searched and found similar topics but none that focus on the whole of my problem. I am starting to think about registering my 1940 BSA WM20 but have a few problems. It has never been registered in the UK before and therefore has no registration documentation (at all). I do have two letters from The Vintage Motorcycle Club LTD which confirms the engine and frame dates but bold capital letters state on the letter that it should not be used as certificate of dating. I just need to know where to start as the DVLA website isn't the most clear and I don't know where I can get a proof of age that can be used for a certificate of dating. Hope you can help Many thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Hi AllSorry if this has been asked before. I have searched and found similar topics but none that focus on the whole of my problem. I am starting to think about registering my 1940 BSA WM20 but have a few problems. It has never been registered in the UK before and therefore has no registration documentation (at all). I do have two letters from The Vintage Motorcycle Club LTD which confirms the engine and frame dates but bold capital letters state on the letter that it should not be used as certificate of dating. I just need to know where to start as the DVLA website isn't the most clear and I don't know where I can get a proof of age that can be used for a certificate of dating. Hope you can help Many thanks. I see you are a MVT member, there is your answer, go to their website and check out Vehicle Verification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sim60 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Hi, if you contact the MVT through there web site they can arrange a dating letter that the DVlA will accept as proof of age, they will arrange for some one to come and look at the bike and then send you proof, there is a charge for this, once you have this you will need an mot and insurance and the correct form from the DVLA that you can order this of there web site and they will post this to you. Once you have all the paperwork you post to Swansea with the fee and they will send you a new mot and log book and tax disc. Hope this helps Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooky Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Hi, if you contact the MVT through there web site they can arrange a dating letter that the DVlA will accept as proof of age, they will arrange for some one to come and look at the bike and then send you proof, there is a charge for this, once you have this you will need an mot and insurance and the correct form from the DVLA that you can order this of there web site and they will post this to you. Once you have all the paperwork you post to Swansea with the fee and they will send you a new mot and log book and tax disc.Hope this helps Simon Quite true Go to the MVT website and follow the verification tab, complete the online form and away we go. Just a note there is no charge for the service if you are an MVT member, however the Inspector can claim a mileage/travel allowance for the visit. You will need a form V55/5 to complete the registration and some other documents (these are outlined in the covering letter that will accompany your dating cert) and then send off to DVLA Swansea MVT Verification Officer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snort Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Very True, I was very lucky and the MVT Officer didn't charge any mileage (thanks John Denny) to check my Jeep when it needed it. Since then I have done a couple of checks on behalf of the MVT in my area and also returned the favour by not claiming expenses. So without doubt it is the best way forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arcot1751 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 If the bike needs an MOT for it's first time on UK roads (obviously it will be MOT exempt after that if it is pre 1960) you can do this on it's frame number, once the DVLA have issued a V5c they will stamp the MOT with its allocated UK registration number. Be aware some insurance companies will only issue a short term cover note for a vehicle frame number so make sure before you arrange cover that everything else is ready to send to the DVLA before getting the cover note, I had the same trouble by the time Swansea got around to processing the paperwork my cover note had run out :mad: I had to persuade my insurance company to issue another cover note which they were loathe to do. With the closure of the local DVLA offices Swansea have a lot more work so delays are common. Good Luck :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Johns Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) As your bike has no paperwork you will need to submit the dreaded NOVA Revenue & Customs form for clearance first as discussed on here, http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?38476-Nova/page3&highlight=NOVA+form Or to save lots of hassle there is a Company that for a fee will handle the whole registration process for you http://www.secondaddress.com/dvladatingletters/index.htm Edited January 9, 2014 by Nick Johns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooky Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 If the bike needs an MOT for it's first time on UK roads (obviously it will be MOT exempt after that if it is pre 1960) you can do this on it's frame number, once the DVLA have issued a V5c they will stamp the MOT with its allocated UK registration number. Be aware some insurance companies will only issue a short term cover note for a vehicle frame number so make sure before you arrange cover that everything else is ready to send to the DVLA before getting the cover note, I had the same trouble by the time Swansea got around to processing the paperwork my cover note had run out :mad: I had to persuade my insurance company to issue another cover note which they were loathe to do. With the closure of the local DVLA offices Swansea have a lot more work so delays are common. Good Luck :-) No need for an MOT at registration Providing the bike is pre 1960 its exempt MOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooky Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 As your bike has no paperwork you will need to submit the dreaded NOVA Revenue & Customs form for clearance first as discussed on here,http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?38476-Nova/page3&highlight=NOVA+form Or to save lots of hassle there is a Company that for a fee will handle the whole registration process for you http://www.secondaddress.com/dvladatingletters/index.htm Generally if the vehicle is British manufacture then the NOVA form is not required The verification letter will state country of manufacture, if that is United Kingdom then no problems. We have just verified a Diamond T 980 and it has been registered with no problem. The verification letter explained that the although the vehicle was USA manufatured it was supplied under lend lease to the UK. The DVLA accepted this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHillyard Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 Generally if the vehicle is British manufacture then the NOVA form is not requiredThe verification letter will state country of manufacture, if that is United Kingdom then no problems. We have just verified a Diamond T 980 and it has been registered with no problem. The verification letter explained that the although the vehicle was USA manufatured it was supplied under lend lease to the UK. The DVLA accepted this Thanks all so far, very helpful advice for an annoyingly awkward task. I was going to bring up the same thing as Brooky. When I imported the Welbike from the US it was exempt because it was British Manufacture. I would imaging it would be the same in this case. Just depend whether I have to contact NOVA anyway or just continue passed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooky Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 The bike is British, presumably not imported therefore why get HMRC involved?? The verification cert will show country of manufacture as UK,presumably you have the contract number which would prove its British anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHillyard Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 The bike is British, presumably not imported therefore why get HMRC involved??The verification cert will show country of manufacture as UK,presumably you have the contract number which would prove its British anyway Thanks for clearing this up. I have the contract numbers for the engine and frame. The contract plate is also there but covered in paint. Will probably try to clear that paint this weekend for further confirmation of age. Many thanks to you and everyone else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Johns Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) The bike is British, presumably not imported therefore why get HMRC involved??Ty HMRC is involved Since last year when the regs changed this is the situation now, going by what Barry, RMS went through trying to register his Bedford that had no paperwork or release note http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?38476-Nova&p=373560#post373560 Edited January 9, 2014 by Nick Johns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooky Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) I refer you to the comments regarding the Diamond T that has just been registered No request for NOVA form If you read the whole thread regarding the Bedford there seems to be no problem if the vehicle is pre 1973 Edited January 9, 2014 by Brooky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMS Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 HMRC is involved Since last year when the regs changed this is the situation now, going by what Barry, RMS went through trying to register his Bedford that had no paperwork or release notehttp://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?38476-Nova&p=373560#post373560 Since posting the original thread i have registered several vehicles, some the same situation as the Bedford some i bought in from France/Belgium. I complete the Nova online and usually get the clearance within a few days without any trouble. No VAT has been requested to date but all the vehicles have been 1940/50's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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