Rick W Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 What is the modern equivalent of OM15 oil, or an off the shelf product like an EP80, ATM, LHM gearbox oil. This is for the Ferret fluid flywheel but cant seem to get a definite answer as to what can be used.:undecided: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrettkitt Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 (edited) What is the modern equivalent of OM15 oil, or an off the shelf product like an EP80, ATM, LHM gearbox oil. This is for the Ferret fluid flywheel but cant seem to get a definite answer as to what can be used.:undecided: ISO10 or ISO15 is what you should be looking to buy Edited August 23, 2011 by ferrettkitt Can't read my own website!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiketheBike Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Rick, I think Chris put me right on this one, and I think its ISO10 hydraulic fluid.... Imay be wrong though. I have a feeling I got some from my local motor factor, but believe that Pirtek also do it. Mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrettkitt Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 (edited) Most of the oil stuff should be at the bottom of this page http://www.ferret-fv701.co.uk/useful_info.htm EP90 I could do with a clarification if that is o.k. to use [TABLE=align: left] [TR] [TD][TABLE=width: 914] [TR] [TD]Capacities[/TD] [TD]Key[/TD] [TD]Imperial[/TD] [TD]Metric (litres)[/TD] [TD]Oil Specs Military[/TD] [TD]Oil Specs Civilian[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]Steering bevel box (upper)[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]1[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]1½ pints[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]0.85[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]OEP-220[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]90EP Gear oil[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]Steering cross-shaft bevel box (lower)[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]1[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]1½ pints[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]0.85[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]OEP-220[/TD] [TD=width: 210, bgcolor: #CA9880]90EP Gear oil[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]Inner tracta joint housings, including bevel boxes[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]2 + 10[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]3 pints[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]1.7[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]OEP-220[/TD] [TD=width: 210, bgcolor: #CA9880]90EP Gear oil[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]Outer tracta joint housings, including road wheel hubs[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]3 + 11[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]1½ pints[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]0.85[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]OEP-220[/TD] [TD=width: 210, bgcolor: #CA9880]90EP Gear oil[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Front and Rear Prop shafts[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD=colspan: 3]Three grease nipples per shaft[/TD] [TD=width: 210, bgcolor: #C0C0C0]Multi purpose grease[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]Transfer box[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]5[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]6 pints[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]3.41[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #CA9880]OEP-220[/TD] [TD=width: 210, bgcolor: #CA9880]90EP Gear oil[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]Gearbox[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]6[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]1¼ gal[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]5.7[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]OMD-110[/TD] [TD=width: 210, bgcolor: #008000]SAE 30 straight[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]Air cleaner[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]7[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]4 pints[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]2.28[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]OMD-110[/TD] [TD=width: 210, bgcolor: #008000]SAE 30 straight[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=bgcolor: #0080FF]Fluid coupling[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #0080FF]8[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #0080FF]9¾ pints[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #0080FF]5.52[/TD] [TD=width: 151, bgcolor: #0080FF]0M13[/TD] [TD=width: 210, bgcolor: #0080FF]ISO10 or ISO15[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]Engine lubrication system (dry sump)[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]9 + 12[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]3 gal[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]13.64[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]OMD-110[/TD] [TD=width: 210, bgcolor: #008000]SAE 30 straight[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=bgcolor: #808040]Engine cooling system[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #808040]13[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #808040]4½ gal[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #808040]20.46[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #808040]Not spec.[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #808040]Antifreeze[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Fuel Tank - total including 3 gal reserve[/TD] [TD]not in pic blw[/TD] [TD]21 gal[/TD] [TD]95.5[/TD] [TD=width: 151]N/A[/TD] [TD=width: 210]N/A[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Brake fluid supply tank[/TD] [TD]not in pic blw[/TD] [TD]1¼ pints[/TD] [TD]0.71[/TD] [TD]OF-20 or OF-24[/TD] [TD]Dot 3 / 4[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Edited August 26, 2011 by ferrettkitt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter4456 Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 The correct oil for the Ferret fluid fly wheel is OEP220 (that's what it says on the October 1984 Servicing Schedule!) and EP90 (easily available) is the same stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 http://www.dstan.mod.uk/standards/defstans/91/048/00000200.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 The correct oil for the Ferret fluid fly wheel is OEP220 (that's what it says on the October 1984 Servicing Schedule!) and EP90 (easily available) is the same stuff. No it isn't! The correct oil for the flywheel is ISO10 hydraulic fluid. Most people use Luquimatic no 1 from Morris Lubricants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 Right, thanks guys (you can tell its raining outside!), so an EP90 is what I thought, and an oil I keep on the shelf, I dont recognise the ISO oil types but am therefore assuming they correspond to an EP90 as suggested. Thanks for your input Clive, your article on oil was my first port of call! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 0M15 is not the same as OEP220/EP90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 Had a look on the Morris website and spoke to them and they only do the ISO10 in 25 litre drums, which is ok if you have a fleet of tanks (Chris) but not if you only want 5 litres? Any other suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 (edited) Had a look on the Morris website and spoke to them and they only do the ISO10 in 25 litre drums, which is ok if you have a fleet of tanks (Chris) but not if you only want 5 litres? Any other suggestions? Try Marcus Glenn. OM15 mineral oil Ref: MG10751 Replaces OM13 - £22.00 + VAT per 5 litres. http://www.marcusglenn.com/catalog/viewphoto.php?shoph=10751&phqu=1 Edited August 23, 2011 by sirhc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 Thanks Chris, as they say, job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolman Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Had a look on the Morris website and spoke to them and they only do the ISO10 in 25 litre drums, which is ok if you have a fleet of tanks (Chris) but not if you only want 5 litres? Any other suggestions? I use Luquimatic no 1 from Morris Lubricants, and yes I had to buy a 25 litre drum. Do NOT use EP90, it is totally unsuitable. How much do you think you will need Rick? I could send you over a couple of litres if you are only topping up. (I am working away so It will be next week though before I can post it) Cheers Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 Appreciate that Matt thanks, just ordered some from Marcus Glen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Most of the oil stuff should be at the bottom of this page http://www.ferret-fv701.co.uk/useful_info.htm EP90 I could do with a clarification if that is o.k. to use [TABLE=align: left] [TR] [TD][TABLE=width: 914] [TR] [TD]Capacities [/TD] [TD]Key [/TD] [TD]Imperial [/TD] [TD]Metric (litres) [/TD] [TD]Oil Specs Military [/TD] [TD]Oil Specs Civilian [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]Steering bevel box (upper) [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]1 [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]1½ pints [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]0.85 [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]OEP-220 [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]90EP Gear oil * [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]Steering cross-shaft bevel box (lower) [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]1 [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]1½ pints [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]0.85 [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]OEP-220 [/TD] [TD=width: 210, bgcolor: #ca9880]90EP Gear oil * [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]Inner tracta joint housings, including bevel boxes [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]2 + 10 [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]3 pints [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]1.7 [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]OEP-220 [/TD] [TD=width: 210, bgcolor: #ca9880]90EP Gear oil * [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]Outer tracta joint housings, including road wheel hubs [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]3 + 11 [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]1½ pints [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]0.85 [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]OEP-220 [/TD] [TD=width: 210, bgcolor: #ca9880]90EP Gear oil * [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Front and Rear Prop shafts [/TD] [TD]4 [/TD] [TD=colspan: 3]Three grease nipples per shaft [/TD] [TD=width: 210, bgcolor: #c0c0c0]Multi purpose grease [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]Transfer box [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]5 [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]6 pints [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]3.41 [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #ca9880]OEP-220 [/TD] [TD=width: 210, bgcolor: #ca9880]90EP Gear oil * [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]Gearbox [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]6 [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]1¼ gal [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]5.7 [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]OMD-110 [/TD] [TD=width: 210, bgcolor: #008000]SAE 30 straight [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]Air cleaner [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]7 [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]4 pints [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]2.28 [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]OMD-110 [/TD] [TD=width: 210, bgcolor: #008000]SAE 30 straight [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=bgcolor: #0080ff]Fluid coupling [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #0080ff]8 [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #0080ff]9¾ pints [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #0080ff]5.52 [/TD] [TD=width: 151, bgcolor: #0080ff]0M13 [/TD] [TD=width: 210, bgcolor: #0080ff]ISO10 or ISO15 [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]Engine lubrication system (dry sump) [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]9 + 12 [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]3 gal [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]13.64 [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #008000]OMD-110 [/TD] [TD=width: 210, bgcolor: #008000]SAE 30 straight [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=bgcolor: #808040]Engine cooling system [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #808040]13 [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #808040]4½ gal [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #808040]20.46 [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #808040]Not spec. [/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #808040]Antifreeze [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Fuel Tank - total including 3 gal reserve [/TD] [TD]not in pic blw [/TD] [TD]21 gal [/TD] [TD]95.5 [/TD] [TD=width: 151]N/A [/TD] [TD=width: 210]N/A [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Brake fluid supply tank [/TD] [TD]not in pic blw [/TD] [TD]1¼ pints [/TD] [TD]0.71 [/TD] [TD]OF-20 or OF-24 [/TD] [TD]Dot 3 / 4 (mineral based fluid) [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Hi Andy, Just a point about your fluid equivalent chart. Brake fluid in Mk1 and Mk2 Ferrets is definitely not mineral, DOT3 and 4 is a synthetic fluid. Now, the Ferret Mk4 uses OM13 as it has disc brakes. OM, means Oil, Mineral and OF is Oil, Fatty (ie vegetable or synthetic) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyroo Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 The correct oil for the Ferret fluid fly wheel is OEP220 (that's what it says on the October 1984 Servicing Schedule!) and EP90 (easily available) is the same stuff. you may as well fill it with simifluid grease then............... Use ISO10 or failing that ISO15 hydrolic oil Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter4456 Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 OK, OK, I was WRONG - the correct oil for a Ferret fluid fly wheel is OM 13 / 15!! :blush: However, in my defence (and I've got it in front of me as I type!), Maintenance Schedule, Scout Car, Ferret Mk1 and Mk2 (all variants), Army Code 14000 (Revised October 1984), does say (on page vi - Capacities) 'Fluid Coupling - OEP220'. It then says (on page 7) 'OM13' -the page I didn't read - presumably an MOD misprint! Anyone know how to drain a fluid fly wheel...........?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Anyone know how to drain a fluid fly wheel...........?! 1. Remove flywheel filler plug 2. Turn engine exactly half a revolution so other plug is visible 3. Prepare for a flood of approx 9 pints of oil throughout the hull :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter4456 Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Thanks Richard ....just how bad is 'semi fluid grease' then? - my Ferret is very clean inside!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Thanks Richard ....just how bad is 'semi fluid grease' then? - my Ferret is very clean inside!! Hi Peter, My post about draining was a jokey one, it would be an awful mess to be honest, the best way would be to remove the gearbox, find a pipe fitting to fit the flywheel, or a drilled out filler plug with a piece of pipe in it, that way you could slowly turn the flywheel, while the oil poured out into a can or tray. Any other way will be very messy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrettkitt Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Thanks Richard ....just how bad is 'semi fluid grease' then? - my Ferret is very clean inside!! It is a fluid clear in colour its not greasy fluid do you have to change it could you suck it out? Park it with the front higher than the back open a hull plate beneath the sump plug and let it drain out. I think its a clear fluid I would suggest swilling out with kerosene or paraffin but I'm not sure if it will thin and wash away the fluid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrettkitt Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 (edited) Hi Andy, Just a point about your fluid equivalent chart. Brake fluid in Mk1 and Mk2 Ferrets is definitely not mineral, DOT3 and 4 is a synthetic fluid. Now, the Ferret Mk4 uses OM13 as it has disc brakes. OM, means Oil, Mineral and OF is Oil, Fatty (ie vegetable or synthetic) Hi Richard, Thanks for the info I'll change it forewith Is OM13 equivalent to DOT 5? Edited August 24, 2011 by ferrettkitt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Is OM13 equivalent to DOT 5? No ! I think you will find that DOT5 is a silicone type fluid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrettkitt Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 No ! I think you will find that DOT5 is a silicone type fluid. Glad you know what you're talking about! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diana and Jackie Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Marcus Glen has the correct oil for the fluid flywheel - The Diagram Off Andy's website and the service manual are quite clear as to what lubricants go where. DOT 5 is a synthetic brake fluid - not to be used under any circumstance unless you change ALL the seals on the braking system. So use DOT4. Carlube do an EP90 for the wheel gearboxes, the transverse box (normally) and the other 4 boxes. and SAE 30 byMorris lubricants is Ok for the gearbox and engine. Check local motor factors for all the oils, and the correct grease, You may have to ring around a few, apart from the fluid flywheel oil which as said can be got from Marus Glen who is prompt with his service. Diana and Jackie Glad you know what you're talking about! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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