antarmike Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 (edited) Am i looking at at a T34/85 being winched onto this Russian Daimond /T Rogers M19 combination? And what use are the chocks doing there? The trailer can't pull forward, since the drawbar is coupled to the M20. Surley if anything where to move when winching the whole M19 combination would be dragged backward when the T34 is on the ground and starting to climb the ramps. Surely chocks behind the rear wheels of the M20 make more sense? Is the winchman also the driver? Was this normal, or was it more normal to have a driver with foot over the clutch, and a separate winchman who could concentrate solely on what the winch was doing? Edited July 4, 2011 by antarmike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Yes. They may merely have been lifted from the deck and placed there in readiness for use after loading. I understood the later M20 had external winch controls and were fitted with an air valve that operated the clutch from the winch position. This chap certainly looks like he has his foot on the clutch though! The earlier vehicles had all the winch controls in the cab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big ray Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Am i looking at at a T34/85 being winched onto this Russian Daimond /T Rogers M19 combination? And what use are the chocks doing there? The trailer can't pull forward, since the drawbar is coupled to the M20. Surley if anything where to move when winching the whole M19 combination would be dragged backward when the T34 is on the ground and starting to climb the ramps. Surely chocks behind the rear wheels of the M20 make more sense? Is the winchman also the driver? Was this normal, or was it more normal to have a driver with foot over the clutch, and a separate winchman who could concentrate solely on what the winch was doing? Those chocks dont look as if they were "just dropped off the trailer" they look to be strategically placed. Perhaps the Russian operators thought that they might be applying undue stresses to the "A" frame of the trailer. If we are to believe all that we are told (Indoctrination) most of the troops had a poor academic / technical background, so that may have been the thinking????............. of course it would not make the slightest difference, the same stresses would apply. You would need to (effectively) chock both the front of the trailer and the rear of the truck. I am not for one moment suggesting that the "A" frame would suffer any undue stresses when winching...... but then I am not Russian. (I am only kidding folks, its all meant to be light hearted.) :kissoncheek: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Those chocks dont look as if they were "just dropped off the trailer" they look to be strategically placed. I would disagree, the far one is not even touching the tyre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted July 4, 2011 Author Share Posted July 4, 2011 I would disagree, the far one is not even touching the tyre. I have to say I don't think the tyres are tight on the chocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Look at the trees, doesn't it look like they are pointing the T down hill, just a little, perhaps that it the reason for the chocks location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 The trailer is pointing downhill, and it didn't necessarily arrive at the same time as the winch vehicle and/or they're planning to leave it behind? Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big ray Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I would disagree, the far one is not even touching the tyre. Thats not rocket science, if you put the chocks up to the tyres, and then start to winch the tank onto the trailer the very weight of the tank will pull the trailer back slightly before it hits the ramps, net result, a gap between the chocks and the tyres, I am only surprised that the gap is so small!!!!. My original comment was meant to be very light hearted, otherwise I could have the KGB after me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big ray Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Look at the trees, doesn't it look like they are pointing the T down hill, just a little, perhaps that it the reason for the chocks location. Strong winds perhaps??????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big ray Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Look at the trees, doesn't it look like they are pointing the T down hill, just a little, perhaps that it the reason for the chocks location. Looking at the man standing in line with the rearmost wheel on the D/T he would appear not to be perpendicular, I suspect that the camera operator may have angled the camera slightly, just a thought, its all conjecture really. Most trees in an exposed area are subject to bending in the wind when sapplings, resulting in a slanting growth habbit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted July 6, 2011 Author Share Posted July 6, 2011 Looking at the man standing in line with the rearmost wheel on the D/T he would appear not to be perpendicular, I suspect that the camera operator may have angled the camera slightly, just a thought, its all conjecture really. Most trees in an exposed area are subject to bending in the wind when sapplings, resulting in a slanting growth habbit. No that is just Vodka at work..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big ray Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 No that is just Vodka at work..... Of course, I had forgotten about the Vodka, silly me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big ray Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 No that is just Vodka at work.....<br><br>Of course, I had forgotten about the Vodka, silly me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timinder Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Ok, here's a theory: It's on a bit of a hill. They chocked in front of the trailer to stop it rolling downhill They also chocked to the rear to stop the trailer from rolling toward the tank while winching. As winching started, the trailer rolled back slightly and the rear chocks skidded until they found purchase on the ground. When the tank left the ground (just before the photo) the trailer rolled back toward the front chocks slightly (it may even still be moving in the photo...) Any good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted July 7, 2011 Author Share Posted July 7, 2011 Ok, here's a theory:It's on a bit of a hill. They chocked in front of the trailer to stop it rolling downhill They also chocked to the rear to stop the trailer from rolling toward the tank while winching. As winching started, the trailer rolled back slightly and the rear chocks skidded until they found purchase on the ground. When the tank left the ground (just before the photo) the trailer rolled back toward the front chocks slightly (it may even still be moving in the photo...) Any good? I can't see chocks at the rear of the trailer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timinder Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 I'm fairly sure I can, though they might be part of the ramps. My theory still (sort of ) works if they are though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 (edited) The things you can see are the ramps. As none of us were there and have no idea exactly what procedures were used, this is all idle speculation. Going on past threads, this could run for pages yet........ Edited July 8, 2011 by Adrian Barrell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongJohn Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Another theory, brakes on the tractor unit dodgy, trailer chocked,"just in case", to stop the whole unit rolling down the hill when the tanks loaded. Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timinder Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 All good fun, and totally pointless! :laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big ray Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 All good fun, and totally pointless! :laugh: Absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RattlesnakeBob Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 brings to mind an incident many years ago with the All Wheel Drive Club .. following a trials event we're in the usual position of standing about the pits jawing and smoking before departing for home whilst watching a fella loading his old Series Landrover trialler onto a double axle car trailer pulled by a nice new-ish Shogun or Izuzu type vehicle... the whole rig is pointing slightly downhill and as the trialler mounts the trailer, it does the expected thing and tips backwards sending the tow bar into the air...which....promptly lifts the rear wheels of the tow truck off the ground... and the whole lot sets off down the hill at a fair-ish lick before stopping abruptly in the side of a spectators car at the bottom of the field...... .......... oh the mirth.:-D..well..........we laughed .....the chap didn't though. ..nor did the fella who's car he hit.....didn't laugh at all to be honest :cool2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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