airportable Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Picked up a waterbottle pouch out of intrest. At first glance it looks 58 ptn. but with a twist fastener. Would it be the first ptn? Size wise it is a little 'baggyer' than the std. second ptn. only by 1/8" in the width. What makes me think it may not be British is the fact of no markings at all and no pocket for purification tablets, and why is there a vertical belt attatchment. Thanks for any advice. Andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrogg Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Nope..a 58 pattern water bottle pouch has a strap fastener with a green metal buckle. Its also a darker green. Im not sure what the pouch is that you have. Hope this helps. Andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diver99 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I have seen Egyptian and Iraqi copies of the components of 58' patt. This could be a pre-production pattern. Is the material the same as 'normal' 58? Thicker material? Sterling magazine holder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrogg Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 It looks like it could be some sort of ammo pouch as the loop on the top/rear is for attaching a yoke to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airportable Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share Posted February 2, 2011 The material feels very much the same/ same weave as a std. pouch. Ammo pouch/loop..did cross my mind. But the pouch does have that same slight taper towards the bottom as per. std. bottle one. It does look well washed, hence colour. It is very well put together. The bottom does have the eyelet for drainage. First ptn. pouches did have the turn buckle. (See.. British Post-War Jungle Webbing, Simon Howlett, pg51,52) Thanks for input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrogg Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 58 patt water bottle pouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretfixer Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 The colour form the photo looks like the web material is a bit lighter shade. I have had Indian Manufacture sets through my hands in this particular colour. It therefore MAY be possibly an indian version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob8066 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Definately not a Sterling SMG pouch. Could be first production of the 58 pattern that had the turn buckle. That would make it an ammo pouch due to the loop at the top. May be South African or similar. Without markings on it, I would think it's foreign as nearly all the British gear is labelled. Check inside, under the lid for ink stamps? Off to do research now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWB Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 The first 58 Pattern water bottle pouch did indeed have a twist fastener with a small pocket under the top flap to hold purification tablets with no strap attachment loop on the top back and was a darker green, I have one I'll post a pick latter if anyone wants So dont think its a standard British issue may be a copy from another country as already said Btw did see at Stonleigh some unissued 58 pattern holsters in this colour with brass fittings that were marked MECO 1975 that looked a little too new to me but may well have been produced for another country Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airportable Posted February 3, 2011 Author Share Posted February 3, 2011 Thanks for the info folks. No marks at all in any light. Yes a couple of pics. of first pattern would be of great intrest. Andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWB Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Here you go 1st type water bottle pouch and green water bottle also first type left and right ammo pouches use this set up for early NI pics taken with my iphone so not the best quality I'm afraid Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airportable Posted February 4, 2011 Author Share Posted February 4, 2011 Hi Danny, very execelent kit. Thanks for pics. That has more or less made up my mind mine is a foreign copy. Cost was £1 N.I. kit... picked up a very clean Mk4/5 riot helmet with visor protective cover Stoneleigh Sun.,very good later liner 72'. Andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWB Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Andy No probs mate While at stoneleigh did you spot the fella with a bucket Load of twattin sticks (riot batons) some unissued with The broad arrow stamp and labels still attached for a fiver Each. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airportable Posted February 4, 2011 Author Share Posted February 4, 2011 AndyNo probs mate While at stoneleigh did you spot the fella with a bucket Load of twattin sticks (riot batons) some unissued with The broad arrow stamp and labels still attached for a fiver Each. Dan :cry::cry: No I did not, what a pity we were not all in touch. Been after one for years.Andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWB Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Andy Pm'd re batons Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oily Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 could also be a '44 pattern water bottle pouch, especially since it appears to be in the richer jungle-green colour.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob8066 Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Definatley not a 44 pattern water bottle cover. This has two lift the dot press studs, not a turn buckle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unionjack Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I used to have a couple identical to that, sold one at Malvern a couple of years back, is this the one? Fairly sure it's Foreign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer nut Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 If that's a green water bootle in that picture, I'm in trouble as I may need more than my eyes tested...lol Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airportable Posted March 6, 2011 Author Share Posted March 6, 2011 Definatley not a 44 pattern water bottle cover. This has two lift the dot press studs, not a turn buckle. 44Ptn. water bottle and pouch. Just found I have a pic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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