robin craig Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 I may be stupd. . . but humour me, what fluid does it take please and any tricks to getting it in? R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtreme Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 I was told 30 grade engine oil . ? . The filler is in the engine bay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 It's OMD90 above -15 Celcius, OMD55 below that. There's been an ongoing discussion here on HMVF about a civilian equivalent for OMD90, but basically it's a semi-synthetic 10W/30 heavy duty diesel oil. Morris Lubricants suggest their Super Versitrac 10W/30 is suitable and that's what I'll be running my 432 on in future. The gearbox level should be checked cold, on level ground. Open the air inlet louvres and raise the radiator. The dipstick has two marks, minimum and maximum, and the level should be kept at the maximum mark. The filler is the hexagon-headed plug near the dipstick. Hope that helps! Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin craig Posted December 18, 2010 Author Share Posted December 18, 2010 Thank you gents. will have to find where its leaking from. . . . R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtreme Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 Robin curious to where your gearbox fill was did you locate it . cheers Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 Is it not in the engine compartment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtreme Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 Thats where it is on mine but Andys post conflicted so thought there may be two fill points .Or 2 different set ups on the stormer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin craig Posted December 30, 2010 Author Share Posted December 30, 2010 (edited) The picture posted is not quite as per ours, ours is tight against the deck plate. I have put 2 litres in cold and brought it up to the mark but gearbox light doesnt go out when driven out of the shop and back in. We may jack and block the vehicle and run in gear to warm it to see if it takes more and that shuts the light off Cant believe they put the gearbox fill under a different cover than the dipstick, the shuffle required is stupid, and dont mention where the engine oil dipstick is! Sadly dissapointed with the ergonomics of the whole engine bay and gearbox bay. What an opportunity missed to improve on the old design. Im dissapointed that both bays dont reflect the cleanliness of the interior and the shiny paint job on the exterior, pig pens by comparison Any tips gratefully received. R Edited December 30, 2010 by robin craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtreme Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Change the gearbox filter it should go out . did on mine anyway . all 3 we have had the gearbox light on . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin craig Posted December 30, 2010 Author Share Posted December 30, 2010 Ah hah! I was kind of thinking that flow rather than level might be an issue, We will see what we can achieve. R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 (edited) Ah hah! I was kind of thinking that flow rather than level might be an issue, We will see what we can achieve. R I think you'll find it's a "my filter needs changing" light! :-D (And I'm confused about the filler too, but I've only got a line drawing to go from). Andy Edited December 30, 2010 by andym Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin craig Posted December 30, 2010 Author Share Posted December 30, 2010 If time allows we will pull the filter and inspect, likely wash out and take for cross referencing and re install pending a new filter from UK or local source. I have been pleasantly surprised by the ability of my local guys to measure and using manufacturers specs cross reference most filters. The only one that still stumps them is the Vokes petrol fuel filter element, sadly R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Robin, The filter element part no. will be stamped on the unit, but I suspect it's a 270-L-110A. Maybe Dan knows for sure? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtreme Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CVRT-Gearbox-Hydraulic-fluid-filter-Parker-Arlon-/260669097903?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CommercialVehicleParts_SM&hash=item3cb116c7af#ht_500wt_922 pretty sure this is the filter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CVRT-Gearbox-Hydraulic-fluid-filter-Parker-Arlon-/260669097903?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CommercialVehicleParts_SM&hash=item3cb116c7af#ht_500wt_922pretty sure this is the filter There are 2 different filter units, the Stormer one has a differnet element number stamped on the case, without the part number I can't tell which one that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin craig Posted December 30, 2010 Author Share Posted December 30, 2010 we attempted this afternoon to get the filter housing undone but there is precious little room to work in there. Think we are going to make up a 1 13/16" socket on a flat bar with a nut welded on the other end to get onto with from on top, kind of like a massive crows foot spanner. Otherwise its take the hoses off and drop the assembly from the brackets and do it on the bench. We are grain fed beefy guys and it is on solid. Any tips gents? R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtreme Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 Take it off and do it on the bench . Thats what I did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin craig Posted January 5, 2011 Author Share Posted January 5, 2011 We are back to work after the holidays now. Got the filter unit off the firewall and from the body it states that the element is 270 L 110 A awaiting a call back from my local filter expert on price and availability R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Try 4330-17-114-6342, Filter Element Fluid or 2520-99-052-5455 as a listed alternative, which both look like kits with seals etc. The listed alternative is the same as the gearbox filter for diesel CVR(T)s, I'm not sure if it's the same as the petrol-engined originals. The drawing reference for the element itself is 274A-3T50-BL110/10, so your 270 L 110 may make sense. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin craig Posted January 5, 2011 Author Share Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) Lates news just in from "my filterman" who is the local Parker filter stockist. He says when Fairey Arlon got bought out and became Parker Arlon there was some adjustments made to part numbers. The current Parker filter number that crosses to the original part number is now 270-Z-123A. As others have supected and quoted here already, he confirms, the warning light on the drivers panel actually is triggered by a pressure sensor in the filter housing head when a pressure differential of 25 psi is registered which then puts the filter into bypass to stop the filter being destroyed. It is a standard gizmo on this type of unit. Anyhow, the filter is a week away, stock being held in the US of A for the north american market. Price is $82 and change plus tax. R Edited January 5, 2011 by robin craig tech info added Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz_2010 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 The Stormer gearbox should be filled as andym's description the plug is located near top centre on the rounded part of the box 33mm spanner if i remember right. The gearbox should never be filled through the breather pipe in the engine bay this is known to blow gearbox seals dont ask me how or why but it does. cheers Buzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin craig Posted April 13, 2011 Author Share Posted April 13, 2011 (edited) Finally had a spare few minutes and pair of qualified hands in the shop tonight. We have had the filter for a while. Makita cordless day stretcher has been on back order until now. We pulled the filter unit and suspended the hoses and took the whole unit into main shop. We made a dummy bracket and welded it to the bench, why I like steel benches. The unit is 90 degrees to its installed attitude and gives purchase. We had to use 3ft of leverage and a solid lump sitting on the free standing bench. It has tapered threads and an O ring. I'm a bit surprised it doesnt have a locking wire tab or something similar to prevent vibration working it loose, but given the torque we needed to get it off maybe it isnt an issue. As Gerry my mechanic chum noted the weight of the cast housing is close to that of a Honda Civic engine. Strangely it has four bolts from the bracket to the housing but only two from bracket to firewall. Picture shows unit with bowl removed. Job done, another vehicle serviceable. R Edited April 13, 2011 by robin craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diana and Jackie Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 I am interested to know how it's arrived at that OMD 90 is a semi - synthetic oil. All my research on the subject indicates OMD90 a multigrade detergent oil, which pre-dated semi-synthetic. I have contacted a number of oil companies all of whom refuse to give me an equivalent to OMD90, one actually give me a monograde equivalent! - they simply do not know! There's no way I would put a semi-synthetic in a Wilson type gearbox, or for that matter in CVRT running gear. There is however a good argument for using a semi-synthetic or indeed a synthetic is a petrol engine, depending on its working conditions. Diana It's OMD90 above -15 Celcius, OMD55 below that. There's been an ongoing discussion here on HMVF about a civilian equivalent for OMD90, but basically it's a semi-synthetic 10W/30 heavy duty diesel oil. Morris Lubricants suggest their Super Versitrac 10W/30 is suitable and that's what I'll be running my 432 on in future. The gearbox level should be checked cold, on level ground. Open the air inlet louvres and raise the radiator. The dipstick has two marks, minimum and maximum, and the level should be kept at the maximum mark. The filler is the hexagon-headed plug near the dipstick. Hope that helps! Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toner Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 There's no way I would put a semi-synthetic in a Wilson type gearbox, or for that matter in CVRT running gear. There is however a good argument for using a semi-synthetic or indeed a synthetic is a petrol engine, depending on its working conditions. Diana That's what I've been told for my ferret. The semi synthetic (and multigrade) would be broken down by the innards of the gearbox in use and not be able to protect it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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