Rover8FFR Posted July 4, 2010 Author Share Posted July 4, 2010 (edited) Both the decals look very similar to mine especially the number 7. I have to say openly on the forum that the time and effort you, Ian, Jim and Christine and no doubt others have spent in varying amounts since Dale passed away has been unbelievable. I have spent time most recently with Alison, Ashley ( Dales wife and son) and Christine where my vehicles bought are being kept and would like to say that they are all the warmest receptive people I have known for a long time, sharing a common friendship and being a support network understanding that is not taught today. I am a TA commissioned officer working with the Army Cadet Force back home in Hereford and hope that most of my cadets evolve into such individuals as their lives will prosper for the better. I know that a lot of what our children or what they become is relative to parents. However I am a strong believer that a lot is attributeable to who or what has had a symbolic part in their lives whether it be school or youth organisations etc. I never met Dale, but I have met his immediate family and closest friends and I hope that one day soon I can arrive at a show in 13BK33 and win his memorial award for at least 12 months in one of his Humber Pigs. The Humber Pig I have bought as a result of his passing will live on and be an epitaph to his life and the respect he had from all those who knew him in the miltary vehicle scene. I apologise to those that read this and see this as morbid and mundane but thats the best way to pay a tribute to such a remarcable man.! God only takes the best ones before their time. Amen! Edited July 4, 2010 by Rover8FFR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rover8FFR Posted July 5, 2010 Author Share Posted July 5, 2010 Clive I forgot to ask and on the back of the other thread are you sure, having seen it in the flesh that the paint is faded DBG or did it look more of a 'blue' to you in daylight. That may add more to the 'used in a film' suggestion. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Wayne it certainly has a bluishness to it. But if it was used in Minder or Harry's Game it was would have been green for both roles. I have used a lot of genuine military DBG from various manufacturers, any left over I decant into jam jars. With time this settles out into its various pigments. It either has a red/cow dung brown or a deep turquoise blue dominant component. I think your Pig used the latter type of paint & time has been accentuating it. Looking at the picture of Dale it is certainly green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rover8FFR Posted July 5, 2010 Author Share Posted July 5, 2010 Wayne it certainly has a bluishness to it. But if it was used in Minder or Harry's Game it was would have been green for both roles. I have used a lot of genuine military DBG from various manufacturers, any left over I decant into jam jars. With time this settles out into its various pigments. It either has a red/cow dung brown or a deep turquoise blue dominant component. I think your Pig used the latter type of paint & time has been accentuating it. Looking at the picture of Dale it is certainly green. Yes of course the photo with Dale poking out of the roof! It is most definately Green in that picture I agree........Old Age paint then it is. Thanks for update. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rover8FFR Posted July 5, 2010 Author Share Posted July 5, 2010 so your pig could have been one of these under constrution at Woolwich Arsenal in the early 50's. and they still had narrow gauge 18"track at that time. From The now dispersed accross the country RAWHS Collection Alan fantastic pictures and I see which one mine is. I wish! :-) Found the following on Internet about ROF Nottingham. Post-War [edit] Immediate Post-war As would be expected, the period immediately after the war (1946-50) saw little or no armament production and caused the factory to diversify widely, into initially unlikely fields. Products at this time included tunnelling shields, parts for hosiery machines, structural parts for band-saws and other light wood working machinery, generators, gearboxes for Guy motor-buses, printers guillotines and forging dies for Raleigh pedal cycle cranks. Autumn 1950 saw the start of another re-armament drive, which became particularly apparent the following year. The Nottingham Journal of Wednesday 6 June 1951 described Nottingham as the 'second largest factory after Woolwich Deep hole boring was claimed to be ten times faster than in World War II (the gun in question being the 20 pdr for early Centurions) and the major non-gun activity was the rework of Comet tanks. The next few years do not seem to have been very busy, but in the late fifties activity picked up on various vehicle and specialist projects; manning levels were quite low: there were 517 people employed in October 1956, falling to 408 two years later, whilst a staff chart for March 1959 listed only 84 staff from the Factory Superintendent down to the Assistant Foreman in the Forges. Projects: "Yellow Fever" - Fire Control Equipment AA Mk 7 (c1955-61) Aircraft Freight Loader (1958) Truck, 1 ton, Armoured 4 x 4 Humber c1959-60 Centurion Tank Mk 5 Rework (1959-62?) Bristol Bloodhound Surface-to-air missile launchers c1959-63? Bofors 40 L70 (development of the World War II gun, more powerful) c1958-62? Hornet Malkara missile launcher vehicle c1962 10 ton Recovery Vehicle Jib Assembly c1962 Centurion ARK work c1963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Just looking through that list Hornet/Malkara caught my eye. It seems such a shame that it is linked to a site that has unreliable content. This caught my eye: "Accuracy achieved in practice was poor. This may have been because the awkward control system required a lot of practice, and there was neither a simulation system nor sufficient missiles for practice firing". In fact the guidance system, similar to Vigilant, used a form velocity control unlike all the foreign stuff that used acceleration control which was cruder & cheaper. Hornet used a thumb operated joystick, you moved the missile say to the left then the missile moved to the left but continued on its path to the target. With acceleration control when the missile is commanded to the left it continues on a different path along that bearing, so a small correction is needed to bring it back to the right & on target. Too much correction & that has to be corrected again. This system needed a higher degree of training to maintain accuracy than with velocity control. In the heat of battle the ingenuity of a controllers thumb may not be so able make these constant corrections. As for no simulation system! There was a built in simulator inside every Hornet! It was hard to miss, it was the same size as the guidance control unit & mounted on the opposite side inside the rear cab. The crew could practice their firing drills in the field & in their vehicle. A spot of light was projected into the controller's periscope simulating the missile flares, this diminished its intensity to simulate the effect of distance. Furthermore there was a massive Hornet simulator built with a large projector before even Hornet was deployed. Why does such drivel have to appear? Seems a shame that the article had to have a link to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rover8FFR Posted July 6, 2010 Author Share Posted July 6, 2010 Why does such drivel have to appear? Seems a shame that the article had to have a link to it. There is the 6 million dollar question..There is nothing worse than the facts when they are not factual and misleading. Now I have the facts on my Pig (thanks mainly to Clive) and I (we) believe the IV Guards Brigade to be factual hopefully the search at Deepcut will enforce this???? Fingers crossed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyFowler Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 There is the 6 million dollar question..There is nothing worse than the facts when they are not factual and misleading. Now I have the facts on my Pig (thanks mainly to Clive) and I (we) believe the IV Guards Brigade to be factual hopefully the search at Deepcut will enforce this???? Fingers crossed! A belated good luck with your Pig Wayne , my internets been on the blink otherwise I'd have offered you the battery lids I had bought from Clive ! Glad to see you now have some ! Keep us posted on the restoration please ! Always good to see another old Pig saved ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rover8FFR Posted July 7, 2010 Author Share Posted July 7, 2010 A belated good luck with your Pig Wayne , my internets been on the blink otherwise I'd have offered you the battery lids I had bought from Clive ! Glad to see you now have some ! Keep us posted on the restoration please ! Always good to see another old Pig saved ! Andy I will of course keep this PIG's progress live on the forum as the previous owner was someone very special and I owe it to him. Clive has been amazing and I need his kind of support from all you other FV16?? owners to give this 200%. I am relieved to learn that the markings on it appear genuine and are 4th Guards Brigade and they were based in Germany during the life of this vehicle. Still await the final details on this from a search though! Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rover8FFR Posted July 8, 2010 Author Share Posted July 8, 2010 (edited) Clive having had an introduction to the PIG during my visit (thank you very much indeed) I have come back (AKA Hotel room in Southampton) and started to study some of the images I have taken thus far. I notice that the signal indicator switch is missing as per image below. Are these available or is this a rocking horse doo doo item? Cheers Edited July 8, 2010 by Rover8FFR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rover8FFR Posted July 8, 2010 Author Share Posted July 8, 2010 I saw this today on eBay. Is it factual or a gimmic??? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HUMBER-PIG-RUN-95-UNLEADED-PETROL-INTANK-UNIT-5L-/350241166645?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Cars_Parts_Vehicles_Other_Vehicle_Parts_Accessories_ET&hash=item518c001535 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Ah interesting to see that the hole is in the original position. You remember me saying that because of the knob having a small point to the top, drivers assumed the direction indicated was 180 degrees opposite as they thought the pointy bit was the lower bit! So the hole got moved & the knob then mounted upside down to fall in line with the driver's expectation! My turn switch was modified like that but I welded up the hole & moved it back to where it originally was. These switches are hens teeth & terribly rare cost about £100 but you could have one for £50..,No, no, no only teasing. I have some NOS ones £5 ok? The original knob might be more of a challenge. BTW EVERYBODY WAYNE DROVE HIS FIRST PIG TODAY:D:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 I saw this today on eBay. Is it factual or a gimmic??? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HUMBER-PIG-RUN-95-UNLEADED-PETROL-INTANK-UNIT-5L-/350241166645?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Cars_Parts_Vehicles_Other_Vehicle_Parts_Accessories_ET&hash=item518c001535 Yes that is correct, it is a factual gimmick. There was a thread on here in the last year about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rover8FFR Posted July 8, 2010 Author Share Posted July 8, 2010 (edited) BTW EVERYBODY WAYNE DROVE HIS FIRST PIG TODAY:D:D I did and I dont know which was more overwhelming the drive or Clive trusting me:blush:. Thoroughly enjoyed it though and learned a lot more about FV1611A ownership. Thanks to Clive. He would have had a lodger for the night if we hadn't stopped gabbing! Yada Yada! Edited July 8, 2010 by Rover8FFR typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rover8FFR Posted July 8, 2010 Author Share Posted July 8, 2010 Sorry forgot to say please to the switch item. :-\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rover8FFR Posted July 8, 2010 Author Share Posted July 8, 2010 Clocked this today on signals page in connection with 4th Guards Brigade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Hmm nice FV1604s. Glad they had the decency to stand clear to identify the registration plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rover8FFR Posted July 8, 2010 Author Share Posted July 8, 2010 Hmm nice FV1604s. Glad they had the decency to stand clear to identify the registration plate. Proud Signalmen I guess! I know of one who is 18 sig EW with 22 right now. Great Bloke. Modern ancestor! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 Wayne just been doing a bit of cross-checking on yours. Although the record cards shows it was Struck Off on 9/8/67. That was not the date it was sold. The next auction was on 3-6 October. But yours was sold on the second day of the auction on 28-30 Nov 1967. On that page alone there were 22 Pigs. Three of them were annotated in the catalogue by the dealer as "U/S" yet they fetched the highest prices £70, £80 & £85. You will be relieved to know yours was not one of these:-D As you know yours sold for £40. The average for the rest was £40-£55. This suggests to me that the winning bidders were seduced either by a smart appearance of the Pigs or the fact that they had winches. To this day many feel that having a winch on a vehicle adds to the macho properties of the vehicle. Just speculation, but I wonder if the U/S Pigs looked so nice because they failed early on in their service life & were shunted away in a depot & that is why they looked in much better condition than the others? One also has to wonder if the users were fully competent in operating the winch gear? Looking at the next page although there were some winch Pigs they fetched normal sort of prices, yet one marked U/S went for £70, I suppose that one failed early on & consequently looked relatively unused? BTW there were 4 Matadors on that page they fetched £300, £346, £350 & £350. Yet the dealer had written against them all "NO, ROUGH". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rover8FFR Posted September 6, 2010 Author Share Posted September 6, 2010 As always Clive thank you for the assistance and added history / archive material. Further thanks for the email. :-\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Elsdon Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Just for info, the 4th Brigade of guards HQ were based at llanelly barracks Hubbelrath, at the time period that the pigs were in use, they had another barracks called Gort barracks at the same location:- http://baor-locations.co.uk/Hubbelrath.aspx Might be your pigs former residence! certainly the markings on your vehicle all point at the guards. If you are having wing boxes made up, let me know, as i could do with a vehicle set including the fronts and front wing lids, my friend also has a pig that he wants wing boxes for, so maybe we could come to an arrangment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 I still have some front locker lids if that's any help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Elsdon Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Absolutely! when i pop down to get this stuff, i think the wallet will get a battering!:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rover8FFR Posted September 20, 2010 Author Share Posted September 20, 2010 Just for info, the 4th Brigade of guards HQ were based at llanelly barracks Hubbelrath, at the time period that the pigs were in use, they had another barracks called Gort barracks at the same location:- http://baor-locations.co.uk/Hubbelrath.aspx Might be your pigs former residence! certainly the markings on your vehicle all point at the guards. If you are having wing boxes made up, let me know, as i could do with a vehicle set including the fronts and front wing lids, my friend also has a pig that he wants wing boxes for, so maybe we could come to an arrangment... Adam my friendly fabricator / shot blaster has packed in work having been diagnosed with the dreaded 'C' so I will be looking at another route when I get around to them. So I will tell you more as and when my friend. Noticed an odd detail / PO change on my PIG having queried the indicator switch with Clive a little while ago as the rocker switch appeared to me missing. However another photo angle has suggested a toggle switch arrangement that must be a non-standard alteration and I am guessing 'NOT' spec. Any suggestions/ ideas at all?? :-| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 has suggested a toggle switch arrangement that must be a non-standard alteration and I am guessing 'NOT' spec. Correct not original. Could be one of those pull-out switches with a built in bulb. Could be for anything probably fog or reversing light. But I should rip it out & fill in the hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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