T corbin Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 I p icked up this picture at BELTERING .Title ( ANOTHER OP GETS UNDER WAY 1943 ) T CORBIN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Tony, That looks like a Bedford MSC 30 cwt Tender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les freathy Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Your right there Richard but its the first photo i have seen with those type of wheels and larger tyres, the photos i have show them with 7.00-20 tyres as attached Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 the photos i have show them with 7.00-20 tyres as attached Les, I think your pic shows an early one with 32 x 6 civilian type wheels and tyres. They would be 10.50-16 tyres on the truck in Tony's photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted angus Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Found a reference today in one of Bart's publication that these subsequently had the original tyres replaced by 10.50 x 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevpol Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 I p icked up this picture at BELTERING .Title ( ANOTHER OP GETS UNDER WAY 1943 ) T CORBIN those aircraft are bolton paul defiants Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snapper Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Nice looking lorry. Not far off being a civvy model, I suspect. I really like these RAF vehicles. It would be nice to see more of them in this guise..but I presume the majority of survivors find their way to the classic commercial end of the motor pool to become something more colourful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Your right there Richard but its the first photo i have seen with those type of wheels and larger tyres, the photos i have show them with 7.00-20 tyres as attached Do you know when that photo was taken? It looks like it might be RAF blue grey. and that may relate to another discussion currntly going on in another thred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevpol Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Do you know when that photo was taken? It looks like it might be RAF blue grey. and that may relate to another discussion currntly going on in another thred. I would dispute the date, as far as I can recall, the last time a daylight liveried defiant was operational was in 1940/41, after that, they were used in nightfighter roles, and target tugs, so the livery of the bedford might relate to the an earler period? Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted angus Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Mark I too would dispute the date but with caution. 31 Defiants were allocated to 277 sqn in April 1942 for Air Sea Rescue spotting duties, A picture in Aeroplane shows such an example with 277 and its in daylight camo. However I am about to put 2 and 2 together and make 6. RAF Old Sarum was in Army Co operation Command, it was a major trials unit and was involved in cam trials along with the boffins from Farnborough. Also in Aeroplane is a Defiant in Daylight cam with 2 sqn undertaking trials at Old Sarum. In the background is an ambulance (Albion) it too is camouflage. the tones are very very similar to the Bedford we are discussing. RAF in white is still clear on the door. against the Defiant the Bedford's dark tone looks very similar the lighter tone is very light ;; This is a unit where I believe cam colours would have been more obtainable due to the nature of the Station's duties so---My guess is the vehicle has been given a quick dust over with aircraft colours Dk Green and wait for it Light Earth ! Thoughts gents please Finally the 2 types of film for black & white print use were ORTHOCHROMATIC & PANCHROMATIC the resulting tones were totally different. With one red comes out nearly white !! TED ps I cannot find a date for the 2sqn trials but its no later than mid 42 as AC command wound up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 But what colour do we think the Bedford in les' picture is? and a date forthat shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted angus Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Mike, between june & sept 1939 as that was the only production period for the MSC, as THE MS & ML were then put on hold until after hostilities, Vauxhall delivered them as a chassis cab to Spurlings . As the vehicle is deviod number plates I would suggest a pre delivery photo either by Vauxhall or Spurling or one taken by the RAF prior to registration for the records. And it would have been RAF Blue /Grey. The photo appears in several books the reproduction in Bart's Kalidoscope is by far the best. Unfortunately none give a credit for the source of the photo. TED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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