Terra1936 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 There are boxes on the side of windscreen. Are these turn signals? Semiphores? I have seeb these only in photos twice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 wally dugan Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 yes they are semiphore indicators 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Terra1936 Posted November 12, 2023 Author Share Posted November 12, 2023 9 hours ago, wally dugan said: yes they are semiphore indicators Thanks. Was that a military install? Must be rare or everyone removed them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 wally dugan Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 semiphore indicators were fitted to some series one land rovers in military service but l have never come across champs with them fitted but that does not mean they could have been but all the one's that have worked on never once did l come across them My feeling is they were fitted when they left military service 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Terra1936 Posted November 12, 2023 Author Share Posted November 12, 2023 Thanks again. I have only seen these two in the photos. Strange as they appera to be 24 volt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 radiomike7 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Terra1936 said: Thanks again. I have only seen these two in the photos. Strange as they appera to be 24 volt. Civilian versions were 12V, I'm almost sure the military ones were 24V. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 wally dugan Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 ALL military champs were 24 volt and you could buy 24 volt semiphore indicators the question is were they fitted to champs while used by the military 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Terra1936 Posted November 13, 2023 Author Share Posted November 13, 2023 Yes. What were they (Answered) and who used them? Yes they are 24 volt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 wally dugan Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 ALL ARMY champs were registered in the BE SERIES OF NUMBERS a smaller number IN BF SERIES OFNUMBERS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Terra1936 Posted November 13, 2023 Author Share Posted November 13, 2023 I tried Merlin. No info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 sirhc Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 26 minutes ago, Terra1936 said: I tried Merlin. No info. The Champs were all out if service about 30 years before the Merlin database existed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 wally dugan Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 This one was sold in GERMANY IN APRIL 1968 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 fv1609 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 12 hours ago, wally dugan said: ALL military champs were 24 volt and you could buy 24 volt semiphore indicators the question is were they fitted to champs while used by the military These are all in service photos, several seem to be OC or prestige vehicles. So maybe after-market but in-service embellishment? and this rather odd one: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Terra1936 Posted November 13, 2023 Author Share Posted November 13, 2023 58 minutes ago, sirhc said: The Champs were all out if service about 30 years before the Merlin database existed. Thanks for information! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Terra1936 Posted November 13, 2023 Author Share Posted November 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, fv1609 said: These are all in service photos, several seem to be OC or prestige vehicles. So maybe after-market but in-service embellishment? and this rather odd one: Wow! Semiphores! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Terra1936 Posted November 13, 2023 Author Share Posted November 13, 2023 33 minutes ago, wally dugan said: This one was sold in GERMANY IN APRIL 1968 Brought to states in 1978. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 wally dugan Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 As it was sold in europe there is ever chance it stayed there until coming to the states it entered into army service in 1954 and was the cargo version not FFW fitted for wireless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 ruxy Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Pat Ware's book "Quarter Ton" - the many photographs inc. 2/3 of the way through production show only two trafficators of semiphore type. Page 208 & 209 clarify changes to lighting , abt. 1954 a modification to th national 'Construction and use regulations' QUOTE. The FV1802 prototypes, together with a number of vehicles in use by BAOR were also fitted with flashing indicators at front and rear . (NB note use of words flashing indicators , not trafficators - that I believe semiphore were worded , so I am uncertain just what the author was getting at ? ). I doubt if he was getting into pedantics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 wally dugan Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) The FV 18O2A prototype or box champ did indeed have flasher type indicators the lighting on champs did change the rear trumpet style tail lights and replaced by the round screw in glass type as seen on later land rovers also the same style indicators were fitted. BAOR modification MOD 1 fit semiphores MOD 5 electric 24 volt trafficators as l pointed out l never saw them but l did see the later type Edited November 14, 2023 by wally dugan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Noel7 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 12 hours ago, ruxy said: NB note use of words flashing indicators , not trafficators - that I believe semiphore were worded , so I am uncertain just what the author was getting at ? I don't know about military vehicles in this context, but new build civilian cars started to change from semaphore trafficators to modern type flashing indicators around the end of 1954, presumably as a result of a change to C & U Regs. Semaphores were usually fitted into the central body pillar on each side, and were quite short, so although they were illuminated [rather feebly and they didn't flash] they were not particularly easy to see, and were not commonly fitted to larger vehicles because of visibility issues. Flashing indicators were fitted in pairs front and rear, as currently, so were much more versatile and more visible. Hope this helps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 fv1609 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 The replacement of existing tail lamp with by stop/tail lamp was authorised in EMEI WHEELED VEHICLES D 577 (BAOR) Mod Instr No.4 Fitting medium 24v trafficators Mod Istr No.5 Note that the above are EMEIs not EMERs But Mod Instr No.5 was the BAOR implementation of EMER WHEELED VEHICLES D 577 Mod Instr No. 43 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 wally dugan Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 a picture of the champ FV 1802A you can make out the round indicators just below the side light on the face of the wing when they first came out the lens was white 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 ruxy Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 5 hours ago, Noel7 said: I don't know about military vehicles in this context, but new build civilian cars started to change from semaphore trafficators to modern type flashing indicators around the end of 1954, presumably as a result of a change to C & U Regs. Semaphores were usually fitted into the central body pillar on each side, and were quite short, so although they were illuminated [rather feebly and they didn't flash] they were not particularly easy to see, and were not commonly fitted to larger vehicles because of visibility issues. Flashing indicators were fitted in pairs front and rear, as currently, so were much more versatile and more visible. Hope this helps. I recall my old man forever fiddling with his 'spare' set of semaphore trafficators , the mechanical parts (ISTR the amber arm lens illuminated. This would be about 1958 (I recalling moving house with it soon after obtaining) . It was a Bedford CA van , earlier he had a couple of Ford Pop. type vans - can't heve been these as I recall his fiddling at the new house. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 ruxy Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 minute ago, ruxy said: I recall my old man forever fiddling with his 'spare' set of semaphore trafficators , the mechanical parts (ISTR the amber arm lens illuminated. This would be about 1958 (I recalling moving house with it soon after obtaining) . It was a Bedford CA van , earlier he had a couple of Ford Pop. type vans - can't heve been these as I recall his fiddling at the new house. The CA van must have been new abt. 1955, my old man purchased it second-hand , fitted side windows and seats in back - sort of a poor man's Dormobile ! IIRC there was a tax to be paid on window conversions for a few years after new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 10FM68 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 As I recall, there was a half-way house for indicators with a kit which could enable the side and tail/brake lights to be flashed - there had to be a visible flashing lamp on the dashboard. My father had such a set-up on his 1954 Hillman Husky. I don't know if it is still the case, but it meant that, for a very long time, indicators could be amber or white at the front and amber or red at the back. I think the same applied, though for longer, in the USA where the amber indicators took longer to become popular. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Terra1936 Posted November 14, 2023 Author Share Posted November 14, 2023 Were they in service in Germany and then sold there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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