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Spitfires in Italy 1944


Adrian Dwyer

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Just found this image- Blag with a different Spitfire: auxiliary tank and wing pylons.  I am assuming this was whilst flying with 5 RFU (Italy or Sicily in '44).  Does anyone know which RAF Squadron within DAF was designated as shown [?] K?

All suggestions gratefully received!

All the best.

Adrian

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additional photo of frustrating partial code for unknown squadron!
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11 hours ago, Adrian Barrell said:

Looks like DX which was 4 sqdn SAAF. They were in Italy in 44 flying ground attack sorties.

Thanks Adrian.  Of the options for the second letter - X Y and K - I thought K seemed the most likely (particularly by studying the aircraft in the background); but I accept X and Y also fit.  The first letter is trickier.  Depending upon the font, it could be: B C D G O P Q R or S!

The SAAF link is entirely reasonable.  I had assumed the aircraft must have been his but I suppose it may have been a visitor to 145 (squadron designation ZX), they may have shared a field or he got diverted.  So, more research required: what a blow!

Thanks again.

A

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Speaking of visiting aircraft and shared fields, the Mustang shown taxiing behind 'Blag's kite' is interesting.  Research by the Aircrew Remembered site <https://aircrewremembered.com/> has identified it as the P-51C ’66’ named 'By Request'. 

I quote: 'It was flown by Commanding Officer Col. Benjamin O. Davis of the Tuskegee Airman, 'Red Tails', 332nd Fighter Group. This was one of a few unique P-51B/Cs that had the extended tail fillet fitted to the D-model Mustangs. The name 'By Request' was apparently added after the Tuskegee Airman proved themselves as ferocious escort fighters and Bomber Groups requested them as escorts.'  Once you know the tail is red, you just can't stop seeing it.

Great image!

All the best.

A

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52 minutes ago, Adrian Barrell said:

You can discount several options by looking at what squadrons those codes related to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_RAF_squadron_codes

Thanks Adrian.  Yes, I looked at wiki but I'm not sure the list is comprehensive or adequately accommodates changes over time.  Indeed, comparing it with 'known' images showing squadron designators, it seems quite badly deficient.

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18 minutes ago, Adrian Dwyer said:

Squadron codes matched to aircraft.  This seems interesting: <https://air-war.org.uk/GENERAL/rafcode.htm>

So, using that resource, squadrons that had: a first initial of B C D G O P R or S; had a second initial of K V X or Y; and flew Spitfires, were as follows: 19, 129, 134, 165, 275, 313, 314, 315 and 452.  Any other runners and riders?

 

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On 5/10/2024 at 5:54 PM, Adrian Dwyer said:

Just found this image- Blag with a different Spitfire: auxiliary tank and wing pylons.  I am assuming this was whilst flying with 5 RFU (Italy or Sicily in '44).  Does anyone know which RAF Squadron within DAF was designated as shown [?] K?

All suggestions gratefully received!

All the best.

Adrian

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The cropped image below is confirmed as squadron code PK: this is not the aircraft behind Blagdon.  Does it suggest the unknown squadron's second letter is likely to be X or Y?  Similarly, and allowing for font variations, is the letter preceding X or Y more likely to be O or Q (at a push, could it be D?)

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8 minutes ago, Adrian Dwyer said:

The cropped image below is confirmed as squadron code PK: this is not the aircraft shown behind Blagdon.  Does it suggest the unknown squadron's second letter is likely to be X or Y?  Similarly, and allowing for font variations, is the letter preceding X or Y more likely to be O or Q (at a push, could it be D?)

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Looking at the history of 4 Sqn SAAF (the option suggested above by Adrian Barrell) its locations are recorded as follows:

<http://www.historyofwar.org/air/units/SAAF/4_wwII.html>

May-June 1944: Sinello
June 1944: Marcigliano
June-July 1944: Cisterna
July-October 1944: Foiana
October-November 1944: Rimini
November-December: Bellaria
December 1944-March 1945: Forli
March-May 1945: Ravenna
May-July 1945: Tissano

Dates/locations that coincide with Blag's flying are: No5 RFU at Sinella (presumably the same as 'Sinello'?)- but in Aug 44; and Ballaria (with 145 Squadron) Dec 44 - April '45.  This looks hopeful but the same site notes the squadron code for 4 Squadron Spitfires was KJ (as, indeed, does one of the wiki links).  However, a different wiki link cites DX.

Blag's meticulously compiled logbook shows he never flew as part of 4 Squadron - but must have encountered their aircraft as DAF progressed through Italy.  It also shows the tempo of flying - and the losses associated with low-level ground attack sorties - were both high.  Whatever the squadron, I salute them all.

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Having thought the trail was cold re: the unknown Spitfire, it has warmed up.  The aircraft belonged to 237 (Rhodesia) Squadron: code DX.  Along with other aircraft (all Spitfire IX) it was last flown by Blag on 9 October 1945.  On 19 October 1945, the Squadron converted to Mustang IV.  Blagdon also flew Spitfire PT 957 (Squadron code DV [T]), as shown in the attached print. <https://library.avsim.net/search.php?CatID=fsx&SearchTerm=spitfire&Sort=Added&ScanMode=0>.  If I had read his logbook with greater care, I may well have noticed that what I assumed to be the last page of his log for 145 Squadron was actually the first page of his time with 237!

So, the aircraft is DX [E], Spitfire IX of 237 (Rhodesia) Squadron, RAF, serial number NH269.  The question now, is what is the aircraft in the foreground!

Thank you to everyone who has shown an interest.

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I thought it had to be an X as neither of the strokes are vertical, ruling out K and the join is too far down to be a Y.

As for Wiki errors, yes well, the less said the better! Well done for pinning it down.

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On 8/5/2023 at 8:27 PM, Adrian Dwyer said:

It was only years later, via the diving store at 28 Amphibious Engineer Regiment, that I learned of the restorative effects of oxygen . . .

Adrian, an aside, but were you in 28 Amphibious Engineer Regiment?

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19 hours ago, earlymb said:

This is a very interesting topic to follow, all of Blarg's adventures and all those different aircraft ☺️

I'm so glad that you and others have enjoyed it.  In addition to the excellent 'All Spitfire Pilots' site, I have come across a wealth of other detail concerning other RAF/SAAF/RAAF/RNZAF Spitfire squadrons and pilots flying in Italy as part of 2TAF.  I was struck by (a) the high rate of attrition they all suffered and (b) the tales of incredible escape from what Blagdon logged, so casually,  as 'H.A.A'. fire.  I feel a Vermouth coming on!

All the best and thanks again for commenting.

A

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