the-blue-cloud Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Can anyone identify the pendant type? I suspect about 1/2 ton. Use in Berlin approx. 1965 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-blue-cloud Posted November 15, 2019 Author Share Posted November 15, 2019 Just now, the-blue-cloud said: Can anyone identify the pendant type? I suspect about 1/2 ton. Use in Berlin approx. 1965 https://www.gettyimages.de/detail/nachrichtenfoto/british-soldier-standing-guard-over-a-checkpoint-set-nachrichtenfoto/141559600 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 It could be a 1/2ton Lightweight No.2 trailer going by the body. It has mudguards and rear lights as later additions if it is a No.2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogmaner Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Could be German supplied like the Munga towing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 As Richard says the odd thing about this category of trailer is that it has mudguards. Using "flash fill" you can see that the panels are flat & reinforced by vertical channelling. Doesn't match up to anything I can think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 hour ago, mogmaner said: Could be German supplied like the Munga towing it. Could be, as the lights look German style and British did use German made vehicles in Berlin, such as Munga. There are some features that remind me of the Lightweight No2 trailer however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz48 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Richard Farrant said: Could be, as the lights look German style and British did use German made vehicles in Berlin, such as Munga. There are some features that remind me of the Lightweight No2 trailer however. West German government's contribution to British involvement in Germany was by way of providing vehicles and equipment possibly the trailer is such a piece of equipment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-blue-cloud Posted November 15, 2019 Author Share Posted November 15, 2019 yes, the car is a DKW MUNGA off-road vehicle type F 91/4, year of const.ruction 1958/59. Of course the Allies bought material from German production. It was a contribution to the development of the German economy and finally the costs of the Allies were paid by the German state. The rear lights of the trailer correspond to German system. It is a closed box without flaps. Unfortunately I cannot identify the trailer markings at the rear. One does not recognize also the coupling system, ball, Rockinger, Nato? I also never saw further photos with the MUNGA of the RAF in Berlin and trailers. It is very strange that rifles and ammunition were transported this way. Maybe someone else has an idea?? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10FM68 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 hour ago, the-blue-cloud said: Unfortunately I cannot identify the trailer markings at the rear. One does not recognize also the coupling system, ball, Rockinger, Nato? I also never saw further photos with the MUNGA of the RAF in Berlin and trailers. It is very strange that rifles and ammunition were transported this way. Maybe someone else has an idea?? Thanks. I'm not sure why you think it belongs to the RAF as the trailer markings show it to belong to one of the three (a 7, an 8 and a 9 on a red square arm of service sign) infantry battalions of the Berlin Infantry Brigade. I don't think the weapons are being transported - it is more likely that they have simply been left in the trailer while the associated soldiers are doing something without them. One soldier has been left to guard them (wearing a 1960-pattern plain green combat jacket with a regimental lanyard on the left shoulder). The fact that the rifles have magazines still attached suggest that they are certainly not loaded - as they haven't been "cleared" prior to being put down. At the same time the soldiers' early pattern kidney pouches, (with the white label and no additional straps for holding them close to the yoke) and "bum rolls" have been taken off and also dumped in the trailer, leaving the troops, presumably, in "skeleton order" of ammo pouches, yoke and water bottle. Of interest are the helmets which don't look British - they appear to be deeper and more rounded - more like French ones and the rivet close to the front edge of the brim and the high gloss finish also suggest foreign. 10 68 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-blue-cloud Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) Okay, thanks. It is definitely a picture from Berlin and the car is a Munga type F 91/4. Maybe one met at the transition of the British and French sector with soldiers of the FFA Berlin and made a joint break and the weapons and part of the equipment were placed in the trailer of the British. So much is conceivable. I was mainly interested in the trailer type (British?) and the use, because I don't know any photos from Berlin on which a trailer was used. The MUNGA 4 were not equipped with a trailer coupling at the factory. This can then only have been a needs-based retrofit in Berlin. Edited November 21, 2019 by the-blue-cloud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz48 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 7 hours ago, the-blue-cloud said: Okay, thanks. It is definitely a picture from Berlin and the car is a Munga type F 91/4. Maybe one met at the transition of the British and French sector with soldiers of the FFA Berlin and made a joint break and the weapons and part of the equipment were placed in the trailer of the British. So much is conceivable. I was mainly interested in the trailer type (British?) and the use, because I don't know any photos from Berlin on which a trailer was used. The MUNGA 4 were not equipped with a trailer coupling at the factory. This can then only have been a needs-based retrofit in Berlin. I had several Ex-Dutch Munga's all were fitted from new with towing pintles - from memory there are two types of pintal cast and pressed steel suitable for towing Jeep/Landrover trailer types Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-blue-cloud Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 I have the manufacturing documents of the manufacturer and can check the factory equipment in detail. The MUNGA 4 of the RAF in Berlin were delivered without trailer coupling. Some of the 6 series had a trailer hitch. The NL Army chose a different equipment! So you can usually find the factory mounted trailer hitch here. If you send me your chassis numbers as a private message, I will gladly look for the individual equipment. love greeting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAFMT Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 4 hours ago, the-blue-cloud said: I have the manufacturing documents of the manufacturer and can check the factory equipment in detail. The MUNGA 4 of the RAF in Berlin were delivered without trailer coupling. Some of the 6 series had a trailer hitch. As 10FM68 said earlier, this isn't an RAF trailer, and thus the towing vehicle isn't likely to be RAF either. I assume the Army had different specifications for their equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogmaner Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Found this pic ,may help with identity of trailer . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-blue-cloud Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 Why should the photo of the Munga 4, built in 1957/58, help to identify the trailer? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogmaner Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Look at the markings below the windscreen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-blue-cloud Posted December 14, 2019 Author Share Posted December 14, 2019 I'm sorry, I don't know the meaning of the number 9 sign. This can also be found on the back of the trailer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogmaner Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 My fault should have explained ,unit markings may lead to a MT inventory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10FM68 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 It looks to me as though, at the time the second picture was taken, the number 9 on a red square, arm-of-service sign indicated the King's Regiment. They were in Wavell Barracks, Berlin, 1962 - 64 which seems to fit. The transfer on the Munga is their regimental badge - the Lance Corporal with the SMG and binoculars is wearing the Lancastrian Brigade badge, which would also be correct for that period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Maddams Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Very interesting pictures here, does anyone know what colour the RAF Munga’s we’re painted? We’re they still in green or did the RAF paint them blue and yellow? Any colour pictures would be amazing! many thanks, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citroman Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Lights on the trailer look like Hella ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-blue-cloud Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 see my Post of 22. may:..... Members 10 72 posts Location: Germany Posted May 22 May I also provide some information on this? First, on the subject of design and color of the RAF + Military DKW MUNGA in West Berlin - for this I refer to my current MUNGA book on the subject of vehicles of the Allies, the Berlin police and the Berlin scene..unfortunately only in German language... There are still some copies available at the price of 15 Euro plus shipping ( and custom?). Maybe there is someone in your circle who translates it. I lack a little bit the time for it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Maddams Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Thanks blue cloud, I’d like to order a copy of your book soon. Where can I purchase one? Have you any plans to translate it into English? the RAF police Munga in the picture seems to be lighter in colour than the military police model. Do you know if they were RAF blue or green? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10FM68 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 5 hours ago, Mike Maddams said: the RAF police Munga in the picture seems to be lighter in colour than the military police model. Do you know if they were RAF blue or green? It would becaue RMP vehicles in Berlin were usually gloss black as in the case of the photos above. I would expect the RAF Police ones to be gloss RAF blue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Maddams Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 That’s what I’m thinking too. It would be very cool to see a colour photograph somewhere of the RAF model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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