julezee001 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Ventured slightly out of my comfort zone at the War and Peace Revival this year and ended up purchasing an FV434 on the last day. Prior to the show I had already worked on it and recovered it from a muddy hole, so I am fairly certain it's a sound vehicle. I have applied for the forms from the DVLA, V55/5, and have a friend who has registered his FV432 and offered some advice. Obviously I need to prove it's age to avoid a Q plate as seen on an FV436 (?) at W&P. Can anyone give me a clue where the build/shell number is? I can't see it in the similar place (left of rear door, tiny plate) on an FV432. Does anyone have the GKN Sankey records for the build date? IMPS or MVT for confirmation of the information found? I assume it will have been built long enough ago to be deemed an Historic, but haven't found specific info for FV434's? Any info/comments would be hugely appreciated. Jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 I assume you know its original army VRN? Ask the Tank Museum library for the record cards which will give you its date of first use. A lot of FV430s have also been registered using the VRN in lieu of chassis number. That said, I think you'll find it very difficult to get it road registered anyway. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1950 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Vehicle Width and Brakes will become an issue for road registering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharky Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 There is usually a plate with chassis number ,reg and various other imfo on the engine bulkhead just behind drivers seat on left hand side . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julezee001 Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 Thanks for the replies. Plate found, so I have all the numbers. contract no., reg no., FV no, etc. Does the Army transport Museum still hold records? Does it still provide the service of researching and supplying of copies the relevant documents? Jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 You don't have a transport vehicle, you need the tank museum. Best option to find service history is a FOI request to the MoD. https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/ministry-of-defence/about/publication-scheme#how-to-make-an-official-request-for-information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julezee001 Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 You don't have a transport vehicle, you need the tank museum. Best option to find service history is a FOI request to the MoD. https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/ministry-of-defence/about/publication-scheme#how-to-make-an-official-request-for-information I hope to visit the Tank Museum at the end of the month, and will try to arrange an appointment. The FOI suggestion is interesting and easy to do, so I might give that a go too! Thanks, Jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryb Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Hi Jules, I have previously registered 19 432's but as already mentioned on here, the process is now channelled through a central DVLA office who have a set of protocols 'they have to follow' and sadly 430 series are over width, and do not comply with construction and use regulations. You would also have to produce the original MoD release form 654 to prove it was legally released from the MoD. There are of course loopholes............... good luck let us know how you get on Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I hope to visit the Tank Museum at the end of the month, and will try to arrange an appointment. The FOI suggestion is interesting and easy to do, so I might give that a go too! Thanks, Jules You don't have to visit the Tank Museum, just ring them up and do it over the 'phone with a credit card. They'll email you scans of the record cards within a day, far easier and quicker than fiddling about with an FoI request. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 You don't have to visit the Tank Museum, just ring them up and do it over the 'phone with a credit card. They'll email you scans of the record cards within a day, far easier and quicker than fiddling about with an FoI request. Andy Record cards yes, but if it's a fairly recently released vehicle they probably won't have it yet. Even if they do have the record card they won't be able to give you the history from the last 20 or so years as that's all on the databases. FOI will give you this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julezee001 Posted August 17, 2017 Author Share Posted August 17, 2017 You don't have to visit the Tank Museum, just ring them up and do it over the 'phone with a credit card. They'll email you scans of the record cards within a day, far easier and quicker than fiddling about with an FoI request. Andy I'll be down there on holiday the end of next week, but funny you should mention phoning.... I thought I'd try to make an appointment, so phoned, spoke to a charming lady who within a minute had found the record cards for 00 ED 85, and within half an hour had scanned and emailed them to me. Also a hard copy in the post. What a fantastic service! I now have date in service as 11 April 1967, but not date of manufacture. Is there a GKN/Sankey record for a build date? Jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 The date in service is what's needed, not the date of manufacture. DVLA call it "date of first use" if I recall correctly. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julezee001 Posted August 22, 2017 Author Share Posted August 22, 2017 DVLA must have changed their policy. When registering my Mk1 Militant they wouldn't accept DIS, and insisted on copies of the build sheets, which on the good side were available, but on the bad side proved it was one of the last built in 1964, which of course means it needs an M.o.T test, and an HGV licence to drive it! Jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 DVLA must have changed their policy. When registering my Mk1 Militant they wouldn't accept DIS, and insisted on copies of the build sheets, which on the good side were available, but on the bad side proved it was one of the last built in 1964, which of course means it needs an M.o.T test, and an HGV licence to drive it! Jules Wouldn't you need an HGV licence anyway, regardless of taxation class? Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julezee001 Posted August 23, 2017 Author Share Posted August 23, 2017 Wouldn't you need an HGV licence anyway, regardless of taxation class? Andy Had it been built before 1 Jan 60 (as most Mk 1 Militants were), it would be M.o.T exempt, and could be driven on a car licence........unless used comercially, or towing a laden trailer, in which case both M.o.T test and HGV licence would be required, and possibly taxed as an an HGV too instead of Historic? Jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antar Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 I restored 00ED85 about 3 years ago and sold it to a young gentleman called Maximillian did you buy it from him ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julezee001 Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 I restored 00ED85 about 3 years ago and sold it to a young gentleman called Maximillian did you buy it from him ? Hi John, Yes, the same vehicle, bought from Max, who is local to me. The only problem it's had has been with the pick up filter in the fuel tank, which seems to clog with an organic black "glaze". I have removed it, cleaned it, replaced with new, but it still seems to happen. Someone suggested it's because of the "bio" element in modern diesel, but not sure if that's true?? Still looking good. Just a few small issues, and needs a bit of a service. Jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 The biodiesel problem is a well-known issue in boats and MVs, especially those left for months at a time. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julezee001 Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 The biodiesel problem is a well-known issue in boats and MVs, especially those left for months at a time. Andy Is there a solution? I know there are additives to kill bacteria in diesel that prevent brown sludge from growing in it, but the coating on the brass fitler is totally different; more like a hard black laquer. Seems to form in weeks rather than months! Jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleheywoodtanks Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 To solve your bio growth problem, you should take a look here, https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/wwwfv432couk/fuel-for-432-t1899.html this will explain how i fixed it, and what to do in future. Hope it helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleheywoodtanks Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Send a PM if your struggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narune Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Hi Guys, I have also bought a 434, she is road registered on a q plate with "special vehicles" as the taxation class and a wheel plan of crawler. As i don't think it could be MOTed, is she MOT exempt? I'm assuming as she is on a q plate, she won't be tax exempt or is she as she is tracked? Im waiting for the new v5c to come through but any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks, Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 You can’t MOT a tracked vehicle, see form V122G. Your Q plate probably means the age couldn’t be verified when it was registered, you’ll need to get that changed for it to be tax exempt. I hear it is more difficult than it should be, best talk to the DVLA and ask them for some advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narune Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Thank you sir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 What's the military VRN of your FV434? Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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