En-jay Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Hello there, I'm currently seeking information regarding vehicle CES covered by the following number which is stamped on the vehicle data plate : P33540/11 Many thanks :-\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Which vehicle? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
En-jay Posted November 16, 2016 Author Share Posted November 16, 2016 Yes sorry... would help if I'd put that (!) - Car Utility 4x2 Morris 1000 Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 That's odd the EMER WV P310 gives the CES as Army Code No. 34173 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
En-jay Posted November 17, 2016 Author Share Posted November 17, 2016 Ah right...thanks for that, perhaps I have interpreted the plate incorrectly, I'll try and attach a couple of pics for reference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Herbert Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 En-jay, I would have read the plate the same way as you - bit hard to see any other way ! David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
En-jay Posted November 18, 2016 Author Share Posted November 18, 2016 David, thanks for the input - it is a bit puzzling, a couple of other photos I've seen of other similar Morris vehicles have the 34173 code stamped - hence, in part, the reason for my enquiry! :-\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean N Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 I'd have thought that was a good CES number; for example, my 1971-ish office trailer has a CES number of P/33918/1 Was the way CES numbers done changed, along with the plate on that Morris after a late rebuild (it looks like a late plate), so that 34173 is older (and current when Clive's reference was published), later replaced with P33540/11? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
En-jay Posted November 18, 2016 Author Share Posted November 18, 2016 I've found a photo of a further example of an ID plate on another vehicle, same contract number and with the P33540/11 number present in the same position - although not on the 'Covered By CES No' line box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwardle Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 The best person to contact ref military Morris Minors is Godfrey Crew who is a member of the South Wales MVT, what he doesn't know about military Morris Minors could be written on the back of a postage stamp! I don't have his contact details, but the phone number and email address for the South Wales area secretary are on the MVT website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
En-jay Posted November 18, 2016 Author Share Posted November 18, 2016 ...and a further example on ex-BAOR LHD Traveller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
En-jay Posted November 18, 2016 Author Share Posted November 18, 2016 The best person to contact ref military Morris Minors is Godfrey Crew who is a member of the South Wales MVT, what he doesn't know about military Morris Minors could be written on the back of a postage stamp! I don't have his contact details, but the phone number and email address for the South Wales area secretary are on the MVT website. Many thanks for that pointer:tup:: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 A couple of things. I always used to think that the prefix "P" in a CES meant provisional, but that is no so, it is the production CES. It might just as well be because this is not the Service CES of which there will be a Simple CES & sometimes a Complex CES if it forms part of another equipment. To have have quite a different Production CES from the Service (Simple) CES suggest it had quite a different role. I just wonder were there any old screw holes in the wood or any covered covered over welds above & below all of the windows? Some Travellers were fitted with diamond mesh expanded steel internal security screens over all the windows & headlights. This was in 1969, this was not Op Banner but predated it by 3 months! The CES for such a conversion would list those items. Do you think yours might have had such a conversion maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwardle Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 A couple of things. I always used to think that the prefix "P" in a CES meant provisional, but that is no so, it is the production CES. It might just as well be because this is not the Service CES of which there will be a Simple CES & sometimes a Complex CES if it forms part of another equipment. To have have quite a different Production CES from the Service (Simple) CES suggest it had quite a different role. I just wonder were there any old screw holes in the wood or any covered covered over welds above & below all of the windows? Some Travellers were fitted with diamond mesh expanded steel internal security screens over all the windows & headlights. This was in 1969, this was not Op Banner but predated it by 3 months! The CES for such a conversion would list those items. Do you think yours might have had such a conversion maybe? That would look awesome Clive especially if it was painted like the one I passed my driving test in at Arborfield, everything except the glass was deep bronze green, including tyres, woodwork and chrome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 John yes it would look superb. Imagine taking it to a show where it would be looked upon with disdain & declared shear fantasy! The EMER was issued in May 1969 & I suspect it was in response to anxieties about violence from some quarters with the rise on interest in NI civil rights movement. So the Army would have some IS vehicles in readiness if things got out of hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
En-jay Posted November 18, 2016 Author Share Posted November 18, 2016 Clive, Many thanks for the input - very interesting, have certainly learned something new regarding specification for the fitting of security screens to such a vehicle! As far as I can see from the previous owners before and during restoration photos of the traveller, there doesn't appear to be any evidence in the woodwork/metal which might suggest that such an application was fitted to this vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 If you ever decide to put it into that role I have the full instructions down to the last nut & bolt well actually it was mainly wood screws, I think 60 of them. The whole installation would take 48 manhours I think, but that was with the full ready cut out kit. Never seen an in-service picture of one but there it is in the EMER. It was wise to plan ahead but as it turned out this was a slight underestimation of the needs, even so they were still selling off Humbers in 1971!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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