fv1609 Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 This not the usual format, it is a bit of interesting history from WW2 that I found loose inside an official publication. I have translated it & have some of the documents to which it refers. Anyone like to have ago at translating it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 is this a naval matter like mine sweeping ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Clive, I think this relates to Military System duties under control of the Commander-in-Chief being transfer to Secretary of State. KR being King's Regulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted September 18, 2015 Author Share Posted September 18, 2015 is this a naval matter like mine sweeping ? Nope Wally this is Army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted September 18, 2015 Author Share Posted September 18, 2015 Clive,I think this relates to Military System duties under control of the Commander-in-Chief being transfer to Secretary of State. KR being King's Regulations. Pretty good going Richard that's 3 out of 4 just need to rethink on MS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Pretty good going Richard that's 3 out of 4 just need to rethink on MS Thanks Clive! Well, I think the letter relates to the newspaper cutting in this link; http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=TS19010329.2.20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 MS ............ medical surgical ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvinthemartian Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Minister of State? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Military Service ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted September 18, 2015 Author Share Posted September 18, 2015 Thanks Clive! Well, I think the letter relates to the newspaper cutting in this link; http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=TS19010329.2.20 Good bit of research there Richard. Its all part of that general buzz after the Crimea that focussed the attention of seventeen Royal Commissions, eighteen Parliamentary Select Committees and nineteen War Office Committees! Although I will seek to show at the end that something in the letter may be not quite right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted September 18, 2015 Author Share Posted September 18, 2015 Military Service ? Nope although the first bit is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted September 18, 2015 Author Share Posted September 18, 2015 Minister of State? Sorry missed you first time. Nope, but good suggestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Nope although the first bit is correct. M.S. : Military Service duties ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted September 18, 2015 Author Share Posted September 18, 2015 M.S. : Military Service duties ? Nope Richard not that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Nope Richard not that. Military Strategy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted September 18, 2015 Author Share Posted September 18, 2015 Military Strategy Nope Richard it is a post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvinthemartian Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Military Secretary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Nope Richard it is a post. One last stab before retiring for the night ......... Military Secretary Oh, the Martian has just beat me to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted September 18, 2015 Author Share Posted September 18, 2015 Military Secretary. Yes well done! I think Richard must have fallen asleep at the keyboard I thought he was about to clinch it. Although he did get 75% of it early on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Yes well done! I think Richard must have fallen asleep at the keyboard I thought he was about to clinch it. Although he did get 75% of it early on. Trying to multitask! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted September 18, 2015 Author Share Posted September 18, 2015 Here is the bit about the C in C Then C in C abolished I don't have KR but here is QR (ER) (I doubt if the actual duties have changed much) But looking at QR (VR) 1859 the MS was already under control of C in C! So did MS pass out of C in C control & then back again in 1901? Or did the seventeen Royal Commissions, eighteen Parliamentary Select Committees and nineteen War Office Committees actually forget who controlled the MS? Makes you wonder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvinthemartian Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Took a bit of head scratching to work it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted September 18, 2015 Author Share Posted September 18, 2015 Took a bit of head scratching to work it out. It is often someone carefully observing on the sidelines that spots the crucial clue that the lead poster doesn't quite get (Didn't see you at GDSF this year, did you go?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Isn't this what led to the formation of the General Staff, based of all things on the Prussian Pattern? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted September 19, 2015 Author Share Posted September 19, 2015 Isn't this what led to the formation of the General Staff, based of all things on the Prussian Pattern? Well I have a War Office publication dated 1807 that refers to General staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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