terrierman Posted January 11, 2015 Author Posted January 11, 2015 If you're making as good a job of it as it looks on FB you won't need to hide any faults. You could spray matt NATO green and brush black but that puts it roughly post-1968. Not sure that makes any practical difference though. Thanks Sean, Didn't know you were into facebook, everything seems to be coming together now Ive already bought the Deep Bronze Green paint so will paint it with that. Sean would the engine fan have been painted red when it left the factory Regards John Quote
Sean N Posted January 11, 2015 Posted January 11, 2015 Hi John, I'd leave it just plain DBG then. I have seen a photo of an in-service K9 with black over DBG but it looks odd & you'll have a nightmare with the rivet counters. Do the prep thoroughly & it'll look fine in DBG. Never seen or heard of a factory red engine, and I don't see Austin having used it. From what I've seen I think early engines were DBG (or a very similar dark green) and then for much of the production run they were using sky blue (BS381C 101) straight from the factory, but Richard, Wally or others may know better. I don't get involved with FB but I had to have a look after you told me about that group. Quote
terrierman Posted January 11, 2015 Author Posted January 11, 2015 Hi John, I'd leave it just plain DBG then. I have seen a photo of an in-service K9 with black over DBG but it looks odd & you'll have a nightmare with the rivet counters. Do the prep thoroughly & it'll look fine in DBG. Never seen or heard of a factory red engine, and I don't see Austin having used it. From what I've seen I think early engines were DBG (or a very similar dark green) and then for much of the production run they were using sky blue (BS381C 101) straight from the factory, but Richard, Wally or others may know better. I don't get involved with FB but I had to have a look after you told me about that group. Thanks Sean Il leave it as you say just dbg, I asked about the engine fan being red as mine is, but it could be red oxide, Glad you enjoyed the Album Regards John Quote
wally dugan Posted January 11, 2015 Posted January 11, 2015 JOHN on the question of the colour of the fan on a factory fitted engine the engine would be mid bronze green and the fan black on a military replacement engine the engine would be sky blue and so would the fan Quote
terrierman Posted January 11, 2015 Author Posted January 11, 2015 JOHN on the question of the colour of the fan on a factory fitted engine the engine would be mid bronze green and the fanblack on a military replacement engine the engine would be sky blue and so would the fan Thanks Wally, Regards John. Quote
Sean N Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 John, sorry, I missed the fan question. JOHN on the question of the colour of the fan on a factory fitted engine the engine would be mid bronze green and the fanblack on a military replacement engine the engine would be sky blue and so would the fan Hi Wally, happy to bow to your vastly superior knowledge, but I wonder whether K9 engines followed the 'system'. I've seen a fair few K9s in service / recently ex-service or where the engines were apparently untouched (no overhaul listed in history or chassis plate), and they've all been sky blue except for some early vehicles. I wonder, as I say, whether Austin were painting them sky blue straight from factory for a large part of the production run? I know there's a suggestion a similar thing happened with Champs. Quote
wally dugan Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 MORNING SEAN In the collection at Beverley we had at one time four K9s the reason l made the distinction in engine colours is two had the mid bronze green engines these had never been changed according to there history card details and they had spent a lot of there time held in storage until they came to Beverley the third a water bowser 10 BP 45 had the sky blue engine we also had one on loan to bovington and l believe that at one time they used it to attend shows in fairness I liked the mid bronze green colour l think you will find more sky blue engines fitted to K9s than the green ones REGARDS WALLY Quote
wally dugan Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 just a foot note SEAN l think you are right that the early K9s left the factory with the green engines and then the major part of the contracts were fitted with the sky blue engine Quote
Austin Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 MORNING SEANIn the collection at Beverley we had at one time four K9s the reason l made the distinction in engine colours is two had the mid bronze green engines these had never been changed according to there history card details and they had spent a lot of there time held in storage until they came to Beverley the third a water bowser 10 BP 45 had the sky blue engine we also had one on loan to bovington and l believe that at one time they used it to attend shows in fairness I liked the mid bronze green colour l think you will find more sky blue engines fitted to K9s than the green ones REGARDS WALLY Good morning Wally, I don't suppose you know where those K9's are now do you? I've never seen a bowser in the metal. Cheers, Austin Quote
wally dugan Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 AUSTIN the ex bovington one was bought by a forum member just lately the bowser was returned to the mod in 1990 the ffw was offered to the royal signals museum but they declined and was returned to mod again 1990 one of the GS was also returned to the mod in the same year the decision to dispose was not mine Quote
Austin Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 AUSTIN the ex bovington one was bought by a forum member just lately the bowser was returned to the mod in 1990 the ffw was offered to the royal signals museum but they declined and was returned to mod again 1990 one of the GS was also returned to the mod in the same year the decision to dispose was not mine Thanks for the reply Wally. I hope there is a military storage area somewhere with those K9's just waiting to be found Seems to be quite a few coming K9's coming out of hiding lately. Sorry for the thread highjack John. :blush: Quote
terrierman Posted January 12, 2015 Author Posted January 12, 2015 Thanks for the reply Wally. I hope there is a military storage area somewhere with those K9's just waiting to be found Seems to be quite a few coming K9's coming out of hiding lately. Sorry for the thread highjack John. :blush: :cheesy: Im Enjoying it Austin. Quote
Sean N Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 In the collection at Beverley we had at one time four K9s ... two had the mid bronze green engines these had never been changed according to there history card details and they had spent a lot of their time held in storage until they came to Beverley the third a water bowser 10 BP 45 had the sky blue engine... Thanks Wally, that's interesting. Oddly the one colour I can't remember seeing on a K9 engine is mid bronze green. I will have to check on my early vehicle now, I'm sure it's DBG but it's tucked at the back of the shed and it's a long time since I looked at the engine! AUSTIN the ex bovington one was bought by a forum member just lately the bowser was returned to the mod in 1990 the ffw was offered to the royal signals museum but they declined and was returned to mod again 1990 one of the GS was also returned to the mod in the same year Wally, can you recall the service registrations for any of these? I bought several from Aston Down in the 1990s, just wondering if any were the same ones and found their way out that way. Having said that, it would have to be the FFW as I didn't see any GS. Quote
wally dugan Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 SEAN the ex bovington one was 37 BG 78 here s one for you to ponder we also had the FV 16013 AMBULANCE one ton multi -fuel it also had its engine in the middle bronze green a fact confirmed by a forum member who had it on loan REGARDS WALLY Quote
Richard Farrant Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 SEAN the ex bovington one was 37 BG 78 here s one for you to ponder we also had the FV 16013 AMBULANCE one tonmulti -fuel it also had its engine in the middle bronze green a fact confirmed by a forum member who had it on loan REGARDS WALLY Hi Wally, I think the green on the Austin engines that you mention is the Austin / BMC green that all their commercial and most car engines were painted at one time. A friend has one of the last Austin badged lorries, a WF which had the updated Loadstar cab and one piece windscreen. This has its original Austin 4 litre petrol still in it and is that lighter green, not sure it is Middle Bronze Green, thought it was refer to as something else. Have tin of paint somewhere, will check out the BS name and number on it. Quote
wally dugan Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 RICHARD you may know it as MOWOG GREEN or AUSTIN /BMC GREEN BS223 Quote
Richard Farrant Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 RICHARD you may know it as MOWOG GREEN or AUSTIN /BMC GREEN BS223 Wally, I do believe that is the number on the tin, thanks. Quote
Sean N Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 SEAN the ex bovington one was 37 BG 78 here s one for you to ponder we also had the FV 16013 AMBULANCE one tonmulti -fuel it also had its engine in the middle bronze green a fact confirmed by a forum member who had it on loan REGARDS WALLY Evening Wally. I hung fire on a reply as I wanted to check the engine colour on my early K9 - which I haven't looked at in a long time! It's sky blue, but interestingly all the bits you'd keep if you were changing engines - air filter plumbing and the like - are all DBG (and definitely DBG not MBG). This one was cast in 1988 and came straight to me unmolested. Am I right in remembering Austin using MBG pre-1952 and black before that (not on K9s, just generally)? What happened to the ambulance? Quote
wally dugan Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 SEAN the fact that the items you mentioned are deep bronze green does not surprise me as to the pre 1952 colour l have got to admit that most wartime engines seem to have been black though l have come across a few manufactures engines in other colours from that wartime period the ambulance like most of the collection at Beverley was taken on by the NATIONAL ARMY MUSEUM its registration number is RGX 223 REGARDS WALLY Quote
terrierman Posted January 21, 2015 Author Posted January 21, 2015 I Painted my trucks engine Mid Bronze Green, The Sky Blue was nothing like the colour that was on the Engine Regards John Quote
Sean N Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Looks good, John. Did you get a history for the truck? It's an RAF engine, though I suppose it may have been changed or converted. I see someone's put an alternator on, as well. Quote
terrierman Posted January 22, 2015 Author Posted January 22, 2015 Looks good, John. Did you get a history for the truck? It's an RAF engine, though I suppose it may have been changed or converted. I see someone's put an alternator on, as well. Hi Sean, Applied for the history of the truck but they said no record could be found, How do you know its an RAF Engine. Previous owner changed the electrics and added the alternator Regards John Quote
wally dugan Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 HI JOHN as sean says it looks very good well done that man Quote
Richard Farrant Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 How do you know its an RAF Engine. Because it has a full flow oil filter on it, only specified on RAF contracts, as far as I know Quote
terrierman Posted January 22, 2015 Author Posted January 22, 2015 Thanks for the information Lads, If my truck was RAF would they hold the records at VEHICLE RECORD RLC DIGTAL ARCHIVE or somewhere else as they have no records at above address Regards John Quote
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