landrover nick Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Hi i am trying to work out how the tools are stored in the passenger side of the cab of my Bedford MWR ,i think these would have included the following items 1) starting handle (possibly fit s between the seat and the battery box ) 2) jack handle 3) jack handle extension in square steel bar in two half's i have photo s showing spring tool clips behind the seat and the same clips on the passenger side floor and the battery box but need help with the correct layout Nicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover nick Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 Time to up date this post now that i have some nice new tool clips thanks rippo as you said the originals just fell to bits when i tried to use them photo no 1 above shows the two jack extension bars fitted into the locations mentioned in my first post this i think is correct ? photo no 2 shows the jack handle in what looks to be the most logical position would the two clip under it have held the wheel brace (help need with photo of the wheel brace as i haven't found one yet ) . photo no 3 shows the position for the starting handle as suggested by rippo when i collected the clips from him any MWs out there with clips on the drivers side of the battery box . photo no 4 shows the brackets to hold the pick axe fittings photo no 5 shows the mountings for the shovel and the jack , i have seen the small bracket between the jack the pick axe mounting on many photos but what is it used for ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rampant rivet Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Thanks for posting these pics Nick will help me no end when I get to sort my cab fittings :cheesy: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_bish Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Time to up date this post now that i have some nice new tool clips thanks rippo as you said the originals just fell to bits when i tried to use them [ATTACH=CONFIG]99910[/ATTACH] photo no 1 above shows the two jack extension bars fitted into the locations mentioned in my first post this i think is correct ? [ATTACH=CONFIG]99911[/ATTACH] photo no 2 shows the jack handle in what looks to be the most logical position would the two clip under it have held the wheel brace (help need with photo of the wheel brace as i haven't found one yet ) . [ATTACH=CONFIG]99913[/ATTACH] photo no 3 shows the position for the starting handle as suggested by rippo when i collected the clips from him any MWs out there with clips on the drivers side of the battery box . [ATTACH=CONFIG]99914[/ATTACH] photo no 4 shows the brackets to hold the pick axe fittings [ATTACH=CONFIG]99915[/ATTACH] photo no 5 shows the mountings for the shovel and the jack , i have seen the small bracket between the jack the pick axe mounting on many photos but what is it used for ? I think that bracket holds a gauge for dropping into the fuel tank to see how much you have in the tank, thats whats in my QL, its like a wide rounded ended ruler, with markings on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover nick Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 Guess what Rivet the cab tool layout on your aero screen truck is completely different this is the only photo i can find ,( i thought i had more ) it shows the correct tool layout on Rippos truck when we went to look at it .I think he will be only too happy to supply photos for the other tools did you get the photo of the switch panel i emailed you Nicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rampant rivet Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Thanks nick yes I see what you mean I'll be up to see you both soon and yes I did get your pic of the panel and will go a huntin soon for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinN Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Where did you get the clips from. Also the pick axe and handle are these the smaller size you see or the ordinary ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover nick Posted January 4, 2015 Author Share Posted January 4, 2015 Hello Martin the clips you will find on e bay look under bedford mw and the pick axe and handle and the shovel are all standard general service military items Nicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgins kpt. Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Hello Martin the clips you will find on e bay look under bedford mw and the pick axe and handle and the shovel are all standard general service military items Nicky Thanks , nice details!, jack position , very good new info, Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
44GPW Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I could really do with a good photo of the correct Jack and Jack handle extensions please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey089 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I could really do with a good photo of the correct Jack and Jack handle extensions please? If your after a set try Pete Gains , I got a set off him last year . Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover nick Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 This any better, Dave is correct Pete Gaine supplied me with the two jack extension bars and handle just couple of weeks ago if you search for Ernlake - Britool jacks there is complete web site dedicated just to the jacks and there handles Nicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
44GPW Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Nice one.....thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover nick Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 Still looking for drawing / photo of wheel brace Nicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter75 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Still looking for drawing / photo of wheel brace Nicky This is a picture of a QL wheel brace, I think the OY, MW has the same ends but a single right angle bend. Peter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Binns Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) Hello chaps... This is the wheel brace... Although there were two types... See pictures of the manuals and the braces... I'm still scratching my head on the locations of the kit... The Aero Screen layout as John Rippo has it is the starter handle behind the passenger seat... This fits on his and on mine... I had clips for what I thought was the starter handle on the passenger side of the battery box... But this doesn't fit if the jack handle extension bars are clipped in on the floor... So I think perhaps the Jack handle (the top t piece with the side handle) is supposed to go in here? The question is, what are the rest of the clips for? John Rippingham has a wooden block for one end of the t-piece Jack handle... With one of the clips on the canvas stowage box behind the passenger holding the side handle to keep it in place... But if the starter handle uses 2 of the last three clips by the nearside door, what is the other clip for? The basic wheel brace won't fit... unless the longer wheel brace (like the speed brace) is supposed to go in there... But if that is the case, where does the starter handle go on the aero screen version? I'm pulling my hair out! Photos to follow from me experimenting this weekend... Pete Edited January 11, 2015 by Tubby Binns Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Binns Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) Here are some shots of my inventory kit and me trying to figure out what goes where... Some stuff is obvious... Some isn't... That mysterious bracket which appears to be for the fuel dip stick behind the drivers seat can't be... My MW has holders for the dip stick in the passenger foot well... And from discussions with Rippo, he says its present in the QL as well... I don't think its for the dipstick. Some people mention the machete but it's not on any kit layout... The jack on the aero screen is behind the passenger seat... But it's moved to behind the drivers seat on the full cab version... Because it would be impossible to access with doors on... Held in place with a 20" extension strap... The shovel bracket is is self explanatory as is the pick axe one... My standard GS pick is the infantry type and I think it's possibly too large... There were, I believe, smaller variants for vehicles. It's not incorrect to cram a large on in though... Ooo errrrr missus. Looking at Nick's I see you have the pick handle the other way up... I'll try that... Theres a mystery curved wooden bracket on mine on the floor between the shovel and pick... I was thinking it could possibly (?) hold the small oval oil funnel in place (?!)... I'm stumped... The mystery of what the clips behind the passenger seat are for is bugging me... Starter handle? Larger wheel brace? if I put the starter handle where Rippo stores his, the bottom clip nearest the floor on the nearside seems utterly redundant... If I put the most basic wheel brace in it doesn't fit... As can be seen... Rippo explained the stowage for the T-piece of the Jack handle on his aero screen... The side handle of the T-piece clips into the spring clip on the stowage bin behind the drivers seat... The one closest to the battery box... One end of the handle rests in a circular hole in a wooden block on the floor... My 1943 MW has the clip on the box but not the block on the floor... But it's possible from inspection today that this panel of the floor was replaced on mine and the wooden block (and rear most two clips for the Jack handle extension pieces) lost. My thanks to Rippo for his ongoing help and advice... Edited January 12, 2015 by Tubby Binns Typo correction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Binns Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Hmmm... No further advances with clips and stowage this weekend... The large speed brace is definitely for the split rim nuts... The smaller one for the main hub / wheel nuts... The large brace doesn't fit in any of the clips behind the passenger seat... The majority of clips there (3 out of the four) are positioned horizontally and only one vertically... Still scratching my head... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover nick Posted January 18, 2015 Author Share Posted January 18, 2015 No progress here either got the correct short wheel brace from Chris Morter but it will not fit in the clips in away that looks correct my January 1945 hand book still shows the adapter in use for the split rim nuts Nicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter75 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 This is a new idea I not heard before, part N,o, 7055820, clip, wire cutters. This is from a copy of a march 1944 OY parts book and is the only part N,o, I can find to mach the mystery clip. my 1944 wire cutter are a perfect fit in both my OY and QL . Any thoughts? The OY also has the half round wooden block on the cab floor in the back right corner, could this be for a tin of engine oil. I have been told that oil was supplied in round tins? Any thoughts? Peter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
79x100 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Already abandoned by the BEF. There is a hint of jack and brace in this MW photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Binns Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Peter - I think you've got it 100% right... The bracket is for wire cutters... No argument... The planning at Vauxhall fell apart a bit though... Because although the early aero screen MW has this bracket (and the wire cutters fit), the bracket had to be shifted inwards towards the battery box in full cab versions. This is because the Jack stowage was moved from behind the passenger seat to behind the drivers seat... The new jack position displaced the shovel bracket which in turn displaces the wire cutter bracket... The problem for the new position of the bracket in the full cab MW is that it sits over a long row of coach bolts in the wooden body behind... And the bolts stop the wire cutters fitting properly. This must never have been fed back to Vauxhall... The bracket on mine looks like its never been moved and appears on other full can versions in exactly the same place. It's a definite bracket for wire cutters though. Vauxhall didn't issue items of GS stores like shovels or picks or wire cutters with their vehicles - only the specific items of kit unique to the vehicle or produced by or for Vauxhall (like starter handles and wheel braces). The GS stores would be put in by the Army / RAF etc... So they just moved the bracket and thought no more about it... The wooden 'round' floor mounted bracket is a puzzler as I have one in my MW cab. My understanding is that the oil can was a 'square' 1 gallon type similar to the 2 gallon POW cans used by the British and Canadians... I'm sure they were not round... I wondered if it was for the oil dispensing can... But it would wobble around a bit in there with nothing to secure the top and everything else seems to be well thought out... I keep my oil can in the canvas stowage bin... Well done one on figuring the wire cutters out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Binns Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Nice photo of that BEF MW! Interesting picture of the speed brace for the split rims there! You can see what a buggers muddle of a fit it is... Nick - In some of my manuals that adaptor for the split rim nuts is a deleted item from inventory... Mystery! The photo shows the larger wheel brace is issued and this fits in with early drivers handbooks... And the smaller brace must also have been issued... Perhaps they then used the adaptor for a while and left out the larger brace... Then reverted to the wheel brace only and stopped worrying about drivers touching the split rims and left that to workshops... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Binns Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) If you look at the Jack in that early BEF MW it's a different type to the 2 ton Britool... I think it's a Lake & Elliot 2 ton S183... Picture attached... Also for Rippo, interesting to note what appears to be a wooden block on the floor of the cab to help hold the Jack in place... And there also appears to be a side piece in place on the edge of the cab floor... Edited January 24, 2015 by Tubby Binns Addition to observations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Binns Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Nice to meet some of you at Stoneleigh today... I picked up a few useful parts... But I managed to find another set of wire cutters thanks to Rippo digging around which look identical to my existing ones but are dated 1940 and are made by a different manufacturer... The rivets / bolts holding the wire cutters together are much smaller amd more flush with the main body of the cutters... This reduces the thickness by a good 1/4 of an inch if not more. I'm thinking these may now fit the bracket in my full cab MW... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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