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Phil,

 

I hope that's just a typo as there is no clutch pedal! If you've been using it as one then you could be in for some problems. It sounds like a false neutral to me. Get both feet on it and try to press it down.

 

Chris

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Phil,

 

I hope that's just a typo as there is no clutch pedal! If you've been using it as one then you could be in for some problems. It sounds like a false neutral to me. Get both feet on it and try to press it down.

 

Chris

 

Gear-change pedal, if it is a false neutral both feet down hard and be prepared for a ferocious kick back. As above says it’s not a clutch and should not be used as one. Select the next gear to be used, and kick down when its required

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HI guys

 

Thanks for responding so quick. Apologies for using incorrect terminology for the gear change pedal.

I stand corrected. A rapid learning curve !

 

We will try the solution and let you know. We had removed one of the access plates to have look at the linkages and found a RE issue spanner!

 

PhillB

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If it's stuck in the up position, that sounds like a false-neutral to me; if the down position, it could be that the return spring has gone over centre.

 

False neutrals can be caused by poor operation of the pedal (a common problem is trying to press the pedal with the instep of your foot and your toe hitting the boxing above the pedal area, preventing it from being pushed all the way down (make sure you use the ball of your foot and that your toes clear the reinforcing), or it can be caused by your gear linkages being out of adjustment - I occasionally get a false neutral on 4th, if I don't pull back on the selector lever a little and really need to adjust the linkages. On the up side, I'm very strong in the legs and can easily reset the pedal, but most other people really struggle with it.

 

Like others have said, the pedal is a gear change pedal and should never be used as a clutch. If you do, it will rapidly wear out your gearbox, which is both expensive and difficult to repair. If you haven't already, get yourself a copy of the driver's handbook at the very least and read it thoroughly. One of the most critical things is the "pedal down" procedure, which involves selecting each gear (with the engine not running) and giving the pedal 6-10 full strokes, before selecting the next gear; this ensures that the automatic adjusters are kept tight (you can't over adjust them, so sometimes if you have a slipping gear, a large number of pumps will get it back in spec, unless it's too far gone).

 

Also make sure that you use the correct grades of oil, particularly in the gearbox:

 

http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?13284-Saracen-RR-B80-Fluids&p=399965#post399965

 

Cheers,

Terry

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  • 1 month later...

Cheers guys. Update is the false neutral sorted with a big kick to the peddle, nearly completed the full service changing engine and gear box oil. Electrics and lights now good including inside lights. UK registration plates now on. Brakes need final check before we torment residents of Wiltshire with a run on on the road. All possible only with the hard work of my local ex REME. Even got the Bren for the back!!!

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Hi guys. Need advice re getting Saracen brakes working. hydraulic pump working, we have recharged the 3 accumulators

and we have pressure at the bleed points but the right hand warning light remains lit with no brake pedal function.

 

Any suggestions

 

Phill

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Hi guys. Need advice re getting Saracen brakes working. hydraulic pump working, we have recharged the 3 accumulators

and we have pressure at the bleed points but the right hand warning light remains lit with no brake pedal function.

 

Any suggestions

 

Phill

 

Pressure at what bleeders? the hull lines or at the wheel stations?

 

Cheers

 

Nick

CWC Canada

 

(Saracen Mk 6)

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If it's stuck in the up position, that sounds like a false-neutral to me; if the down position, it could be that the return spring has gone over centre.

 

False neutrals can be caused by poor operation of the pedal (a common problem is trying to press the pedal with the instep of your foot and your toe hitting the boxing above the pedal area, preventing it from being pushed all the way down (make sure you use the ball of your foot and that your toes clear the reinforcing), or it can be caused by your gear linkages being out of adjustment - I occasionally get a false neutral on 4th, if I don't pull back on the selector lever a little and really need to adjust the linkages. On the up side, I'm very strong in the legs and can easily reset the pedal, but most other people really struggle with it.

 

Like others have said, the pedal is a gear change pedal and should never be used as a clutch. If you do, it will rapidly wear out your gearbox, which is both expensive and difficult to repair. If you haven't already, get yourself a copy of the driver's handbook at the very least and read it thoroughly. One of the most critical things is the "pedal down" procedure, which involves selecting each gear (with the engine not running) and giving the pedal 6-10 full strokes, before selecting the next gear; this ensures that the automatic adjusters are kept tight (you can't over adjust them, so sometimes if you have a slipping gear, a large number of pumps will get it back in spec, unless it's too far gone).

 

Also make sure that you use the correct grades of oil, particularly in the gearbox:

 

http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?13284-Saracen-RR-B80-Fluids&p=399965#post399965

 

Cheers,

Terry

I am impressed and humbled at how much knowledge this site confers to guys like me (clueless). Thanks for the info!

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