Scotch Harry Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Any ideas,no markings at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevpol Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 1st issue? Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Dumb question perhaps - but are you sure it is British issue??? It looks odd to me - esp. with the clips instead of the normal 58 pattern straps and buckles.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch Harry Posted October 14, 2012 Author Share Posted October 14, 2012 No idea,it came with some other unissued 58 Patt bits and the fittings look British but have never seen one before so could be foreign? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enfield1940 Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Wild guess: something to do with radio equipment? Some of the webbing carrying ancillaries were made from '58 Pattern hardware / materials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdbikemad Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Wild guess: something to do with radio equipment? Some of the webbing carrying ancillaries were made from '58 Pattern hardware / materials. I haven't a clue either ! But I would be inclined to agree with this......some kind of equipment harness ? It was not unusual for the military to adopt existing designs as a basis for specialist kit, particularly with webbing........ It looks British to me ! Any markings...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch Harry Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 I haven't a clue either ! But I would be inclined to agree with this......some kind of equipment harness ? It was not unusual for the military to adopt existing designs as a basis for specialist kit, particularly with webbing........ It looks British to me ! Any markings...? No markings whatsoever unfortunately and the material and fittings certainly LOOK British at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will16 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) Spoke to my dad and he doesnt recognise it. Maybe 44 Pattern or a really early issued yoke. Edited October 15, 2012 by Will16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northrecce Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Never seen a 58 or a 44 pattern yoke with padding . Could be a repro. And its missing a lot of things to be a 58. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brucie Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 It could be possibly something that was trialled for the British Army and was not selected for in service use, back in Seventy Eight when I was stationed in Aldershot as part of MVEE, we had the infantry lads from the clothing & equipment trials branch living in the same block as us while we were waiting for new barracks to be built at Chertsey. They all wore different clothing, had all got different hi-leg boots on, which were not even issued to the Army then? Brucie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch Harry Posted October 16, 2012 Author Share Posted October 16, 2012 Thanks for every bodies suggestions,will this mystery ever get solved I wonder?:D:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdbikemad Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 (edited) It could be possibly something that was trialled for the British Army and was not selected for in service use, back in Seventy Eight when I was stationed in Aldershot as part of MVEE, we had the infantry lads from the clothing & equipment trials branch living in the same block as us while we were waiting for new barracks to be built at Chertsey.They all wore different clothing, had all got different hi-leg boots on, which were not even issued to the Army then? Brucie According to SCRDE press releases published in 70s editions of Soldier Magazine, high leg boots, waterproofs, plastic para helmets, etc, were all undergoing trials during the decade...........so not on general issue Brucie, but highly likely issued to some troops for trials..............as far as I can recall, the only high-leg boots issued to the military during the (late) 70s were (US) pattern jungle boots and Urban Patrol Boots ("NI Boots") that were a theatre issue only.......highly comfortable compared to DMS boots but they fell apart within 6 months and I managed to break my right ankle wearing 'em due to the lack of support !!!!! (they went into a skip thereafter......) Also worth noting that it was common to take DMS ankle boots to a cobbler for extending to high-leg..........well, in some units at least... Edited October 17, 2012 by wdbikemad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 With no markings and the fact that parts seem to be based or utilising 58 pattern kit could it have been made locally. Our equipment repair blokes used to make extras for webbing (padding, pouches, belts, straps, etc) and the RAF survival equipment blokes used to do the same when I worked with them. Quite a few other nations used web kit based on 58 pattern (a few used 58 pattern as well) but the ones I saw had markings on. The design seems to be to make the yoke quick release with the attachments from kidney pouches on the back straps (which look to be free to move along the belt so not much cop, I cant really see how they would fit and stay in place without coming undone) and the hook catches on the parts going to the ammo pouches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will16 Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Hey guys, At cadets I was reading 'The Making of a Para'. There was some pictures of Paras teaching the Yanks, and I'm sure a yank had this yoke on. I'll double check and get a pic on Tuesday for you. Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brucie Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 According to SCRDE press releases published in 70s editions of Soldier Magazine, high leg boots, waterproofs, plastic para helmets, etc, were all undergoing trials during the decade...........so not on general issue Brucie, but highly likely issued to some troops for trials..............as far as I can recall, the only high-leg boots issued to the military during the (late) 70s were (US) pattern jungle boots and Urban Patrol Boots ("NI Boots") that were a theatre issue only.......highly comfortable compared to DMS boots but they fell apart within 6 months and I managed to break my right ankle wearing 'em due to the lack of support !!!!! (they went into a skip thereafter......) Also worth noting that it was common to take DMS ankle boots to a cobbler for extending to high-leg..........well, in some units at least... If you read my email correctly I did not state they were on general issue to the Army, only that they were wearing different Hi-Leg boots probably for testing and evaluation to select the best boots for the services which is usually the job of a trials and evaluation branch? and as with everything they dont always get it right because when the Hi-Leg boots were officially issued to the Army we used to do our annual 3 mile BFT in them but due to the damage they were doing to some peoples Tendons, we had to stop wearing them and had to wear trainers to carry out our 3 mile BFT, but the boots were okay for the annual 10 mile march we used to carry out. Brucie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdbikemad Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Brucie - apologies if I appear to have misunderstood your quote - I assumed that a question mark after the remark about high-leg boots being on issue was to receive confirmation ? Anyhow, you are quite right about the initial issue high-leg boots introduced around 1984......they were poorly designed and there were many cases of tendonitis......I tried to break mine in for almost a month but after they crippled me I went back to my DMS ankle boots and puttees until I left in '85.... The MK2 high-leg boots were a far better proposition, complete with partial speed-lacing (sometimes termed "assault boots") and the original gortex-lined (maroon lining) "pro boots" often issued for Bosnia, etc, were even better...... Rumour has it that the older 70s NI patrol boots were a militarised version of high-leg Dr Martens......but whilst supremely comfortable on pavements, they were, in my humble experience, useless in the field........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will16 Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Hi guys, Last weekend at the Dallas Dig Out there was a set of American webbing and this yoke was on it. I'm 100% sure it's American. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch Harry Posted November 4, 2012 Author Share Posted November 4, 2012 Hello Will,not wishing to start an argument but while I have no idea as to what country its from I know as a fact it certainly isnt American. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longshaor Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 To follow up on what Scotch Harry said, the only H-back harness used by US forces was the M1956, and this definitely isn't it. The shape of the padded piece across the back is wrong, the fittings are of different types and in different locations, and that's just the major differences. Hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrettkitt Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 Had a quick look at this harness/yoke on a carrying frame on ebay any chance that it could be it (I haven't seen one without the frame so its a guess). http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LARKSPUR-MILITARY-MANPACK-CARRYING-FRAME-/321159157685?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ac693d7b5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colebrook Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 British manufacturer made for a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colebrook Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 overseas contract. The webbing colour looks lighter than 58? Not sure. Just a wild guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
servicepub Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Take a look at http://www.karkeeweb.com/ If you don't see it shown there they may be able to identify it. Clive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
servicepub Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Take a look at http://www.karkeeweb.com/ If you don't see it shown there they may be able to identify it. Clive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch Harry Posted July 29, 2013 Author Share Posted July 29, 2013 Have sent the pics etc to Kharkee web along with details of a wrongly described pouch on there and am awaiting a reply. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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