Ivor Ramsden Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I'm starting to think about building a wiring harness for the Morris CDSW but neither the handbook nor the workshop manual give any colour codes for the cables. Does this mean that they were all black or maybe another single colour? And how would they have been wrapped? Would they have had a woven cover or would they have been taped? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Ashby Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 My 1940 Leyland Retriever had all black cotton covered wires running in either expanded metal looms or cotton wrapped depending on location. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Hi I have 1940 bedford mwd,for my bedford i have a instruction book for bedford four wheeled w.d.type trucks mw ox oy dated january 1940, it shows a cable colours wiring diagram..One for the mw. and one for ox. oy.I hope this is of some help sparky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbrook Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 If I remember correctly all morris cables were braided black, and I dont even think they had id tags of any description on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbrook Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Oh and braided cover. You can get an excellent heat shrink braided cover these days - if you need the contact let me know and Ill look it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Ashby Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Oh and braided cover. You can get an excellent heat shrink braided cover these days - if you need the contact let me know and Ill look it up Paul I'd be interested in the contact for the heat shrink braided covering Thanks Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Black PVC coated or rubber / neoprene with a cotton main/trace braid was used well into early 1960's (Buna / Neoprene synthetics from 1930's) , this was normally to BS-AU7 for colour/trace. The problem with cotton braid after 50 years is that there is often no colour left , often braid is cream crackered & you are left with just black rubber or PVC ! Probably PVC with line trace colour started about 1960 ? British Standards Institution was around well before WW2 , a bit of research would probably prove BS-AU7 originated well prior to WW2 . If this is the case then I would presume a firm such as Morris would be working to this standard.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbrook Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Paul I'd be interested in the contact for the heat shrink braided covering Thanks Pete Try Vehicle Wiring Products (www.vehicleproducts.co.uk or 0115 9305454). the reference is FFRS 12,20 or 30 (diameter before shrinking) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbrook Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Black PVC coated or rubber / neoprene with a cotton main/trace braid was used well into early 1960's (Buna / Neoprene synthetics from 1930's) , this was normally to BS-AU7 for colour/trace. The problem with cotton braid after 50 years is that there is often no colour left , often braid is cream crackered & you are left with just black rubber or PVC ! Probably PVC with line trace colour started about 1960 ? British Standards Institution was around well before WW2 , a bit of research would probably prove BS-AU7 originated well prior to WW2 . If this is the case then I would presume a firm such as Morris would be working to this standard.. I am still pretty sure that for all the stuff destined for the military at least it was black (but might have had a black trace in it....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Ashby Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Try Vehicle Wiring Products (www.vehicleproducts.co.uk or 0115 9305454). the reference is FFRS 12,20 or 30 (diameter before shrinking) Thanks Paul, I think there is something there I can use, I'm trying to replicate metal spiral wound conduit that formed part of the Retriever's cab wiring. regards Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbrook Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 I might have a load of that out of the Antar I am doing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero-Five-Two Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Thanks Paul, I think there is something there I can use, I'm trying to replicate metal spiral wound conduit that formed part of the Retriever's cab wiring. regards Pete If your metal conduit is like this as used on the AEC Militant It is still available. I got mine from these people. www.vintagecarparts for smaller diameters or www.cablecraft for larger ones. Not cheap but good quality and sold by the metre so no wastage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Ashby Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 If your metal conduit is like this as used on the AEC Militant [ATTACH=CONFIG]52379[/ATTACH] It is still available. I got mine from these people. www.vintagecarparts for smaller diameters or www.cablecraft for larger ones. Not cheap but good quality and sold by the metre so no wastage Rob that's exactly what I'm looking for thanks for the heads up Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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