M.Rimmer Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 I thought others might find these photos interesting. They are from a larger set taken by one of the men in the pics below. Can anyone ID the unit? Matt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RattlesnakeBob Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 dunno mate...grand ol' photos though! thanks !:laugh: PS: Gonna stick my neck out a little now..:undecided: ..on all the vehicles, the front tyres are on 'backwards' except for the vehicle on the left in the second photo.which does have one tyre on the 'right' way.... .Now... I don't suppose Army vehicle maintenance chaps were shoddy in their tyre fitting so..is it a possibilty that the tyres were deliberately fitted 'backwards'?....perhaps an agressive mud type pattern like that maybe works better in sand (cos it does look more like a desert in the background, certainly more than 'jungly' anyways!) when ran 'backwards'????... ..only speculating ...hazarding a wild guess..etc...! or... ...... it could be of course that maybe the tyre fitters really didn't give a monkies and stuck them on any old how & willynilly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 ..on all the vehicles, the front tyres are on 'backwards' except for the vehicle on the left in the second photo.which does have one tyre on the 'right' way.... or more to the point, one tyre is the wrong way around and the rest are correct :-D. Somewhere, I have seen an instruction for directional treads on front wheels to be fitted in reverse, to save tyre wear apparantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Richard is right, I have also seen something somewhere...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 It is recommended practice for directional treads to be reversed when majority of work is non-driven - but surprising how often this is ignored. The result is excessive wear. Many examples in agriculture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RattlesnakeBob Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 It is recommended practice for directional treads to be reversed when majority of work is non-driven - but surprising how often this is ignored. The result is excessive wear. Many examples in agriculture. fairplay boys !I admit to never having heard of that reasoning before!...... ...must admit I've always fitted them the 'right' way..or as I know now:undecided:...(if the axle is non driven)...then I've been fitting them the 'wrong' way all this time!.. ..but........... seeing as I've only ever fitted them to Landrovers that do a lot of off roading in 4x4 mode ...I guess I've been fitting them the 'right' way after all ! (I'll go and have a rest now ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 They seem to have been water carrier/treatment vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Rimmer Posted September 10, 2011 Author Share Posted September 10, 2011 Hi Tony, Thanks for posting those! yes there was also a water bowser version,I sold mine several years ago and Pete on here has it now. The cargo version used the same steel body as the 15cwt Chevrolet C15. Matt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degsy Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Matt, the yellow camel on a black background signifies GHQ Middle East but you probably knew that, I have no idea what the no 1172 represents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Rimmer Posted September 10, 2011 Author Share Posted September 10, 2011 Thanks Degsy,yes I thought it was Middle East. The chap in the pics appears to be an officer? I will scan and post the other pics,though the only other vehicle shots are of a jeep. Matt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcspool Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 They seem to have been water carrier/treatment vehicles. Don't think they are, you can see the canvas canopy on the ones in Matt's pictures is higher. Also one can see the headboard of the GS body. Thanks for sharing the pics Matt. H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Johns Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 I have a very good condition 1943 Canadian maintenance manual C428-D2 for the 15 cwt 4x2 Dodge model T222 if anyone is interested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Unfortunatley I only have thumbnails for the GS version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauren Child Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 (edited) There are a couple of photos on the web archive from an old geocities website here - http://web.archive.org/web/20091026195322/http://www.geocities.com/cmpvehicles/images/dodge_t212_kerle.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/20091026195323/http://www.geocities.com/cmpvehicles/images/dodge_t212_legion.jpg also here http://web.archive.org/web/20091026222702/http://www.geocities.com/cmpvehicles/images/beltring_dodge_t212_tooes_2.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/20091026195256/http://www.geocities.com/cmpvehicles/images/beltring_dodge_t212_tooes_3.jpg I'm sure I've seen a picture of a CMP D15 with a 13 cab somewhere but I cant find it now. Edited September 11, 2011 by Lauren Child added links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauren Child Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Here it is - a Dodge D15 with 13 cab on this page - http://bcoy1cpb.pacdat.net/cmp_canadian_military_pattern.htm here - http://bcoy1cpb.pacdat.net/Dodge_CMP_15_Cwt.jpg TTFN Lauren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcspool Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 There are a couple of photos on the web archive from an old geocities website here. This is one of my web pages which was moved to http://www.geocities.ws/cmpvehicles/dodge_t212.html It features the 8-cwt Dodge, not the 15-cwt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon_M Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 D15 T222 Engineering code only came as cargo or water tank, a few of the survivors have been tankers at one time ( that cab plate will say WATR - bit of a giveaway ) but converted to cargo by addition of a CMP back body. Apart from the cab plate the other identifier is the chequer plate covers over the fuel tanks on the water tankers ( ordinary cargo truck didn't need them ) There are a couple of images of the water tanker on those thumbnails above. The flat front CMP Dodge is interesting, though Colin McGregor-Stevens only had that one image of it. To start with, the image shows a non-driven front axle, so it too is a 'D15' ( Dodge, 15 cwt, 4 x 2 ) it is just forward control rather than conventional. If you think about it, it is a 13 cab, which rather suggests that Dodge was prototyping CMP trucks for the 11 and 12 cabs too. If it follows standard CMP rules it will have a standard body, Dodge chassis, engine, transmission and CMP style cab, but I'm not sure if Dodge would have bothered to construct a cab for it or just borrowed one from Chev or Ford. I'd expect the engine, transmission, axles, and wheels to be exactly the same as the conventional D15 except for small modifications to things like carb, aircleaner, and starter to suit the cabover configuration. In the end, CMP production stayed Chev and Ford, and Dodge got on with producing conventional cab D15 and D60 in huge quantities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlymb Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Here are some pics of these trucks in the Dutch East-Indies, between 1945 and 1949: Greetz David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcspool Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 If you think about it, it is a 13 cab, which rather suggests that Dodge was prototyping CMP trucks for the 11 and 12 cabs too. Enlighten me on your thinking, if you please. Can't see Colin's Dodge CMP picture right now, IIRC this prototype sported a Ford Cab 13. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauren Child Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 This is one of my web pages which was moved to http://www.geocities.ws/cmpvehicles/dodge_t212.html It features the 8-cwt Dodge, not the 15-cwt. Ah cool - my apologies for the mix-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon_M Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Enlighten me on your thinking, if you please. Afternoon Hanno, how's things? As I understand it Dodge must have been in the CMP production trials, but the powers-that-be decided that while Ford and Chev had the production capacity for CMP trucks, Dodge's capacity would be better used on the conventional cab type. If Dodge had not been involved in cab 11 and cab 12 prototyping I can't see them getting on board for a cab 13 prototype, as by the time the cab 13 came out they were surely already tooling up for conventional cab production - maybe even already started. No evidence, of course, just thinking. Unfortunately Colin's image isn't really good enough for detailed examination which might tell us a bit more. Vaguely possible it isn't a Dodge at all but a Ford or Chev that has had a Dodge badge stuck on it, but that is idle speculation. Back to the grindstone here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcspool Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 (edited) Evening, Gordon. I'm fine thanks, how are you? As far as I can see it must have been the other way around: Ford and Chevrolet developed the CMP range of vehicles, while Dodge focussed on MCP pattern trucks. Possibly the Cab 13 Dodge 15-cwt prototype was built to see how difficult it was to produce. As you say, it must have been basically a Dodge D15 with Ford Cab 13. Easy peasy. I reckon it was not taken in production because orders for 4x2 trucks declined, and Dodge did not have a suitable 4x4 chassis and/or Ford and Chevrolet could supply the numbers required. Regards, Hanno Edited September 17, 2011 by mcspool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcspool Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 (edited) No evidence, of course, just thinking. Unfortunately Colin's image isn't really good enough for detailed examination which might tell us a bit more. Vaguely possible it isn't a Dodge at all but a Ford or Chev that has had a Dodge badge stuck on it, but that is idle speculation. Back to the grindstone here. Gordon, Just ground to a halt behind the grindstone. Did Dodge have a 101" wheelbase chassis? I just realised the T222 D15 has a longer wheelbase than the Ford and Chevrolet 15-cwt CMP trucks. So, the Dodge 15-cwt CMP prototype was not a T222 D15 with a Ford CMP Cab 13 stuck on, the chassis was shorter than on the T222 D15. Could it indeed be a Ford 15-cwt with a Dodge badge stuck on it, possibly a Dodge engine stuck in as well? What are your thoughts on this? Hanno Edited September 18, 2011 by mcspool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon_M Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 I'm sure the heavier construction of a CMP chassis would have required a special, but this would have been no problem, remember Dodge were producing chassis on both sides of the border so a chassis plant would have knocked one out in a day. At this time they were prototyping half a dozen chassis length variations for the T214 series in the US. Since the back springs, axle, suspension, and body mounts could be the same as the ordinary D15 it probably involved no more than shortening a T222 D15 chassis. Front axle, wheels, and brakes same as conventional, steering column angle changed, engine accessories and controls altered for cab over configuration, but probably borrowed a cab as that would involve a lot more cost / time to make up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DODGEWC53 Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 I have a very good condition 1943 Canadian maintenance manual C428-D2 for the 15 cwt 4x2 Dodge model T222 if anyone is interested Hi, Do you still have the manual? and is it still for sale? If so, how much would you ask for it? Regards, Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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