fesm_ndt Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Was looking for a ZF Elcat and the site that said it had it, didn't :banghead: did have a stack of Russian military books some on German armour.... just skimming through and this contraption with a 105mm gun appears to be on 2 chassis?? [ATTACH]32155[/ATTACH] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevpol Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 I may be wrong, but that turret looks like a WW11 German one? Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 (edited) Prototype for a Leighter Einheitswaffentrager GW 638/26 Gerat 587 Three different types with different track work 1) the one in your photo was by Krupp/Steyr and used the Steyr RSO as a design starting point. 2) A similar Rheinmetall Borsig prototype using Pz38t Hetzer trackwork 3) One by Krupp/Steyr which was a almagimation of both types with track and drive sprocket on the Steyr prototype and road wheels similar to a Hetzer All were built with a 8.8cm pak43 cannon. There are several photos of showing the Rheinmetal vehicle after capture, and the Krupp-steyr vehicle was used and abandoned in the Battle of Berlin. Steve Edited August 4, 2010 by steveo578 spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fesm_ndt Posted August 4, 2010 Author Share Posted August 4, 2010 this was the info for the picture 'in Russian' and the book... got some nice piccies, found books on Sd Kfz 251. Jagdpanzer IV L-48, Benz during the war etc etc...... pity no Allied stuff [ATTACH]32157[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]32158[/ATTACH] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 (edited) Copier up and running so I was able to upload a photo of the Rheinmetal version in a vehicle dump note the soldier on the extreme right is British. The thing in front is a Borgward 301 and a photo off a newsreel of the aftermath of the fighting in Berlin, showing the 8.8cm Pak43/3 auf Panzerjaeger 38(t) which used a Tatra 12cyl air cooled 210bhp motor. note the cross on the gun shield most German tanks had the cross on the hull -perhaps its unfamiliar shape was a concern to avoid being mistaken for something soviet. Edited August 4, 2010 by steveo578 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fesm_ndt Posted August 5, 2010 Author Share Posted August 5, 2010 bigger and more complex was not the best solution..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienFTM Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 88mm PaK43 on a Hetzer chassis! The mind boggles. Bad enough fitting a 90mm to a Scorpion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 How far did the chassis retreat when they fired the 88??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 It wasn't unknown for a Pak 43 to fire from its 4 wheeled carriage -only over the front arc and the 38(t & D) in particular would have been fairly capable of the same just as a post war M56 spag (scorpion). I have reservations about the Steyr turreted model -it seems to go too far. They were highly mobile a/t guns not tanks so would not have fired broadside -personally I think these comparatively simple small mobile weapons systems had a lot going for them (and I'm not a Wehrmacht enthusiast). Its a lot better than trying to push a PAK 43 or even a PAK 40 around in an eastern front spring thaw.:shocked: Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berna2vm Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 Prototype for a Leighter Einheitswaffentrager GW 638/26 Gerat 587 Three different types with different track work 1) the one in your photo was by Krupp/Steyr and used the Steyr RSO as a design starting point. 2) A similar Rheinmetall Borsig prototype using Pz38t Hetzer trackwork 3) One by Krupp/Steyr which was a almagimation of both types with track and drive sprocket on the Steyr prototype and road wheels similar to a Hetzer All were built with a 8.8cm pak43 cannon. There are several photos of showing the Rheinmetal vehicle after capture, and the Krupp-steyr vehicle was used and abandoned in the Battle of Berlin. Steve RSO as Raupenschlepper Ost, the little tracked cargo truck?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 Yes RSO but with steel resilient wheels rather than the simple RSO pressed things- remember there were RSOs converted to SP mounts for 7.5cm Pak 40 in limited numbers including a narrow version perhaps for airborne use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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