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Not sure what you mean by 'screened'. DO you mean a metal covering (yes, there were) or suppression of RF (almost all were). Off the top of my head: DUKWs G506 Halftracks Here is the early Chevy G506 shielding: And the early DUKW shield (partial) Later DUKWs, G506 and G508s had various filters, and lateer they were grounded and screened.

Seems like it could be an -a1. Really old stuff. It could be an -a2 without an anti-pollution kit.

In the large photo with the Liberator taxiing look at the jeep behind the one with the racking.. the USA and registration numbers are reversed. That's a very interesting 'snafu' for registration numbers. Great photos!

It. looks like a platform to stand on. Either for maintenance or as an airfield guide (aka FOLLOW ME). The flag attached to the front windshield could be a high visibility device to aid aircraft in spotting it so they can follow it. When close to parking a guy standing on the platform uses hand signals to guide/park the A/C. A bombing mission could have 100's of A/C in need of assistance parking... a jeep is the perfect shuttle. Thats my guess.

Chargers for 6v batteries are out there, but you typically want the type that have 4 modes, not just 3. The 4th mode is desulphanate 3 Modes: Bulk Charge, Absorption Mode, Float Mode 4 Mode: Bulk Charge, Absorption Mode, Float Mode, desulphanate I have a good battery tender from sears that does 6/12V 3 4 mode and its kept my 12V working battery (for jumps/running a winch, jump starts) and 2 6V (one in my jeep, one as a spare) for 3+ years. Spend nearly $50 for it.. but its worked great.

That looks like an MD Juan body kit. Nothing on the body looks CJ at all. If all you want is a frame then there are few differences. But even looking at the front axle its not a CJ axle, but an MB/GPW one (the location of the steering arm is the give away). I also agree that a well restored CJ3 can be much more valuable than a jeep-mix-master. A mix matched jeep will be always pointed out, a well done CJ3 resto will simply be a well done CJ3 resto.

The most notable differences are (in addition to whats been covered) The grill: CJ has 'bug eye' headlamps, MB/GPWs were recessed behind the grill. The windshield. Rims (CJ rims are slotted, combat rims were sold disk) The drivers side on a jeep has indents for the shovel/axe mounting. The MB would have had a the pintal hook and bumperettes. Mechanically you have to get pretty deep into the workings: gear driven cam vs chain (certain parts will run 'backwards' compared to a GoDevil jeep engine) the electrical harness will be different If it has the original engine there will a large cantankerous governor Controls (choke/throttle etc) will be in different locations The steering wheel will have a significant cutout in the dash. Probably the biggest change was the steering linkage was moved off the axle and onto a cross member to alleviate the 'brake induced steering' of the original jeeps Get those things converted and you will pass the 10 foot test.

Its nothing but conversation. I'm not trying to change minds.. just talking about CCKWs. I don't think think that the UK has any more or less interest in MVs than the US. We have some some mighty fine collections in private hands (the Littlefield collection comes to mind). But due to US laws repatriating US 'implements of war' is much more of a hassle than in the UK/EU. But from what i can tell, the asking prices of trucks in the US and UK is closer than would appear (when the currency conversion is done) and I don't see the amateur/garage restored trucks going for the $10,000+ USD/£8000+ prices listed. As mentioned the only readily available place where selling price can be readily determined (ebay) is not bearing the high prices continually asked for amateur restored trucks. And I would make the statement that the ebay bidding prices are skewed towards the high end due to the auction 'I want to win' mentality that can take over bidders. I would be interesting if a poll was done to gather data on the number of MV collectors, number of MVs owned and status of each MV. My best guess is that there are less than 1,000 CCKWs in roadworthy (licensed, on the road, inspected, insured, etc) and maybe another 1,000-2,000 in 'parts' worthy condition.

Have any sold for that? I cannot track selling prince, only what's asked. On milweb there are two average, cckw-salad trucks with wrong bits. On is listed at £10.750 ono. the other is 6500Euro. The former is a private sale and the latter is a dealer. £10,750 is over $16,500 NO WAY does that sell in the US. I can say with better than average confidence that no truck in the US is selling for over $10,000 unless its got some very rare kit. Two trucks (average, wrong bits) have been on ebay repeatedly in the last few months and none have been offered more than $9,000 which I believe to be more bidding frenzy than anything else. I fear that people are seeing these Milweb adverts and are think they will sell at that price here in the US. With any luck they are assuming £10750 is equal to $10750 and not properly calculating the exchange rate. This is an equivalent truck for sale in the US. Seller wants $18,000 (£11446) and got a best offer of $8,000 (£5087) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200791532041&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123#v4-41 If anyone would oblige me, please list the price you paid for your truck and the year. Then a total 'to the front door cost to cover shipping, tax etc. and lastly condition (restored, needs restoration, parts) I find it interesting that there is a 2x -4x price differential in the UK when you folks have more trucks, in better shape and many more rare variants. One would assume that a greater supply would reduce costs. Parts are also in much better supply in Europe.

I put a reasonable RANGE of prices on these trucks. There are 4 or 5 varying levels and a price range for each. I have not said a truck is worth £3456.95.. but in a range of £2500-£3500. The princes auction is in no way a realistic statement on CCKW or Command car value. Filthy rich people wanting to get in good with a Royal family. Politics, not proper valuation.

But for the sake of discussion the 'emotional' price is neither accurate or consistent. You could have a very emotional attachment to say, an MG Midget, but its still never going to be worth a lot (yes I did own one... horrible, horrible vehicle). With all due respect, if your answer is 'what you want to pay' means you have no idea, and are simply hoping not to get ripped off. Again, its all academic.. I know what I will pay, and if I have to negotiate with a seller I have a MUCH better bargaining position than 'I like the truck, what do you want me to pay?'. I was looking for wooden ben hur trailers for parts. There was on about an hour away, typical busted up condition, used on a farm... really NOTHING was salvageable EXCEPT the tailgate hinges were there. All three, hinges, complete with the bolts. Guy wanted $600 for the trailer. I showed up with my TM and photo's of a restored trailer so I could bargain price, and with any luck get the ONLY valuable part on the trailer... the tailgate hinges. I was able to convince him to sell me the hinges for $100 and he can keep the trailer. He though he got a good deal for three parts, and I got exactly what I needed. Now, emotionally I should have delusions of restoring a busted trailer because it might have been used on d-day? No. Ditto for my M35a2. 'Sellers' were asking $3500-$4500 for the exact same truck I could (and DID) by for $1500. I did have to wait, and search, but I got the same truck (well, they are all the same) for little more than knowing their value and waiting for the right price. I did sell it for $3500 but it was in MUCH better condition from when I bought it. Bought vinyl cargo cover, new bows, 4 new tires, fixed some leaking seals etc. I did make a tidy profit of it, but I did much more to it (it was my driver) than guys who simply let them sit after buying them and do nothing to them.

One thing that you should double check is the transfer case oil level. Improper assembly can lead to the gear oil in the transfer case litterally being pumped into the transmission, and the transfer case running low and getting hot. My jeep is currently suffering from this as I put the bearing and oil slinger in backwards... just have not gotten time to sort it out. Easy test is first thing, before you drive take off the cap on the transmission fill port. If oil pours out you are pumping oil from the transfer into the transmission and may need to buy the proper parts or install the parts you do have in the proper order. Its a well discussed issue on G503.com

Asking prince is, in and of itself a poor metric of valuation. SELLING price would improve the valuation enormously. I know I am risking stepping on some emotional toes, and while my grandfather did serve in WWII (I even found his draft paperwork in the National Archives) but it seems that MV's are somehow automatically blessed with a history of combat service that they never may have earned. Analogy: a German Stahlhelm migh sell for $400-600. But with battle damage, even in poor condition, the price goes up 5x-10x if its can be authenticated. I am an avid amateur historian, but I quickly tune out claims that 'my jeep landed on d-day, its worth $10,000' or that any CCKW was used in Bastogn because it was bought in Europe. Granted a PROPERLY vetted and papered vehicle can have its value significantly increased by being associated with a specific even a truck. But even the historic Red Ball Express, at its PEAK, Used less than 6,000 trucks OF ALL MAKES. There is no record of frame SNs and registration numbers can be painted on with ease. The only CCKW that I believe to be properly linked to a historic person is Gen. Pattons personal CCKW. Which is not for sale. So yes, I agree that the CCKW was the trusty mule of a new mechanical Army, that valuation is reflected by its inherent price. You want a CCKW because it's ALREADY a WWII MV. So its history is already reflected by its demand as a collectable. ie If it wasn't already an iconic MV of a World War it would have no intrinsic value.. it would simply be a truck. That said... other than the Patton van, does anyone know of a CCKW that HAS been directly linked to a major historic event? Would be interesting to hear about it.

That's a very nice sentiment which I share. I am a Navy Veteran (FTB3/SS) and my father made the US Army a career. But this is a much more mundane discussion. As I mentioned earlier, buy the truck, not the story. If a collector/historian is looking for a CCKW I would say that they are going to be on the more 'fickle' end of the price scale as opposed to say someone who just wants one for farm use. I could list what I consider the value of just about every part on a CCKW, and it would be a very reasoned and logical price guide. For the most part I think vendors, for individual parts, are pretty close. Individual parts are much more expensive than complete units. The analogy is that you *could* order every part to build a reproduction jeep, from bumper to bumper and it would be 2-4x the cost of buying a running jeep that has been 'restored'. That said, few people have actually given a number that was very different from my price range. For discussion's sake here's what I consider appropriate ranges for the types of CCKW I come across. Parts truck, without bed - $1200-$1500 Parts truck, with bed - $1500-2000 winch adds about $500-1000 depending if the PTO/shafts/wire rope, levers etc are all there. Plane jane CCKW cargo working order, garage restored, mixed parts (closed cab with wooden bed and such) $4000-$6000 Winch adds $750-1000 if its all there, in working order. Professional restored, proper parts, historically accurate (proper engine, canvas etc) $6000-$10000 Anything over $10,000 should be either a variant like a compressor truck with tools, gas tanker, etc. These are the hardest to value as they are also the most uncommon.. and the VALUE is not the truck, but the accessories like pumps/hoses/tools. I think these numbers are not unrealistic or 'low ball'. So when Supply Line or ebay or Joe's used cars advertises a $12000-15000 Norwegian CCKW cargo truck, no winch, basically nothing more than repainted OD there is no sane basis for that price. That's what they might have PAID to acquire the truck, and haphazardly throw a coat of OD over the rust.... but that's not what the truck is worth.

If you had to put a price on your truck for sale, what would it be? Put an honest value.. not an emotional 'it means to much'. Then justify it. I don't see much more than about $6500USD or £4100-£4500. Most of that is because it has a bed, winch, and appears to drive. As a buyer my thoughts are: The gun mount doesn't add as much as you think, as it's not for an open cab. You would get more value from it if sold separately. You're also missing the door latches. The drivers side door looks to be a bit wavy.... but could be the light. A CCKW running standard pistons is most likely not the original engine, correct? No wear in the gearbox? Really? Never missed a shift? All gears wear. All seals cut a grove in shafts. Unless you also have new/rebuilt gearboxes? It does have a good coat of paint. But that also means little to perspective collectors. Maybe someone looking for a 'reenactor grade' it would save them the time.. but it doesn't add much as much value as most think. Now if you had receipts for a rebuild that would answer a lot of questions. As you said, this could be considered an average truck. Its not perfect, its got issues, and its got a lot of bolt on parts that really could be left off as they add little value to a truck How's about a jeep comparison? Why do original 'barn finds' with rotted tires, poor paint/canvas sell for significantly more than 'restored' jeeps? Because the people with the serious money for MVs are not concerned with paint and reproduction parts. And its not about being rare. You could easily put a jeep together for less than an all original matching jeep.

I find this conversation on truck prices extremely interesting. We in the US are envious of the trucks in Europe! As with any market the values placed on the items are affected by available items for sale. Most trucks in the US could not be considered restored. At best overhauled, but not rebuilt. There is a very big difference. I have yet to see a truck sold that claims an engine rebuild (a true rebuild, not clean the grease off and repaint) as that is about $1500 for parts/machining. I overhauled my jeep engine and every part was either just at, or at its serviceable life. Pistons are 80over, crank bearings are a 40 under, rods at 50under, needed new valve guides, timing chain/gears etc etc etc. I will bet that most CCKWs out there are not running standard bearings and pistons. There are lots of mechanical parts that the average CCKW owner either doesn't have the experience, equipment, or money to make right. That's just the mechanical portion. Then there is wiring, brake lines, fuel lines, etc etc etc. Most CCKW owners are of the 'see no evil' mindset... if its not broke, don't fix it. So, with that glimpse of what an average CCKW is saddled with... thinking that a fresh coat of paint or new loom (all bought at retail prices) somehow INCREASED the value of a truck is sign of an uninformed buyer. It increases the expense that the owner has for owning the truck, buy would you but that truck, pay to ship it any distance? NO. Because there is no equity in the truck to justify the expense. Even if the truck IS close enough that shipping does not add much additional expense, fresh olive drab paint does not increase compression, tune an engine, adjust the brakes, etc. There are some trucks out there that are truly worth the asking price. Most however, are priced haphazardly, truly leaving the buyer to his own wits in weeding out the good from the overpriced. Just food for thought.

Your story of the truck near the shipping port is the EXACT same as what I faced.... the TOTAL VALUE (not the expense) was not worth the cost. You (and I) did not purchase either truck because the VALUE of the trucks was LESS than the EXPENSE to acquire it. Now that basic premise is still valid if you change 'shipping fee' with 'parts added at retail cost'. Both are still EXPENSES. And the value of the truck must be significantly greater than the EXPENSE in order to reasonable justify the purchase. I'll try one more example.. We've all seen a truck that was a real wreck... but had some valuable parts.. say a spare tire carrier, a working hydrovac, original rifle racks, etc. But the VALUE of those parts is not worth the COST of the truck, and definitely not worth the TOTAL EXPENSE of having to ship it anywhere. In this instance are you saying that if the seller added a new loom for $1200 the value of the truck has now increased $1200? No. The loom was added at its retail cost (no equity for you). Now if the new loom was added in for free, there is $1200 of equity in parts (well, not really, you couldn't sell that loom for $1200) and that *might* add to the value of the wrecked truck (with all other parts) into having enough value to justify the EXPENSE of purchasing and shipping it home. I offered my opinion on the OPs truck at (if I recall) £2500-£3500. Its not in A1 shape, has incorrect parts, the paint looks to shiny and I'm sure the engine bay is not restored. Good luck to the gentleman and I hope he gets as much as he can for it. But if it sold for £5500 I would think that to be an impulse buyer not a collector.

Since you cannot really qualify 'hot' its difficult to answer. 'Warm' yes, 'hot' no. If the gearbox is working properly and all parts are in order there should be no metal to metal contact (that's what the oil is for... ) But the oil will warm as it is put through the working parts. Let the oil settle/cool then drain it. Look for metal bits in the oil. If you find any then something is rubbing and causing heat.

The VALUE of a truck is not what it costs. I could have bought a G506 from Nevada for $3000, but then have to pay $3000 to ship it home. Is the VALUE of that truck $6000? No. Most collectables I have seen that are professionally appraised have a RANGE of value. An appraiser will rarely say 'This is worth X'. They know that the value is range of X to Y depending on a lot of factors. Most people that sell MVs are not that sophisticated and will simply advertise a price.. and sometimes admit to the above by adding 'or best offer' which implicitly states that the price is not the value. Whatever you finally end up paying is the cost at that moment in time... and the majority of time its not done with analytical precision, but emotional haphazardness. I hope I am explaining this clearly enough.

Actually its a lot simpler than that. Its basic economics. If you buy parts are RETAIL (or vendor) price there is no room for profit. The value of a $1200 harness is, $1200. You don't add value to the harness by simply buying it. And actually you LOSE value when you install it. Now if you could get parts for 20-30% off retail, then you have room for profit as you paid $1000 for a $1200 item. The next mistake is that people assume their time is the same as professional mechanics time. NOPE. You are not guaranteeing the work.... who has sold an MV with a warranty? If I could get the $6000 in parts I need for $4000 then yes, I have equity in parts. The value of a truck and what someone will pay are two completely different things. I think I would have some moral issues if I lead a person to believe that a £2500 truck was WORTH £5000.

There is a saying that I never heard till buying MVs: Buy the truck, not the story. This was when every jeep on ebay had 'on the beaches of Normandy on D-Day!', 'Patton rode in it' in the description. As I mentioned 90% of the owners don't have the time, money or knowledge to restore an MV to 100% mechanical and historical condition to warrant the premium prices they *think* they should get. Many of the parts simply don't exist, or are so rare that the price would never be recouped. Every owner tinkers on an MV and thinks that it magically adds £500-£1000 of value. Sorry, no. If any thing the value is reduced as the fixes are really patches. The OPs truck has some significant issues on the tailgate and lower engine shields. No to mention the other bits that I could see from the few photos. My truck will require 11 new tires ($2800) a new full wiring harness ($1200) new canvas ($1200) while I will spend $6000 to get these items, sadly it does not increase the value of the truck by the same amount. I wish it did, but tires, once installed are used, a wiring harness is never seen, and canvas will deteriorate even with care and maintenance. ALL VEHICLES DEPRECIATE. Few appreciate, but jeeps and CCKWs are generally not in that catagory. Name your price, negotiate and get what you can. You'll either sell it for your price, get a little less, or not sell all.

I watch MilWeb, ebay and private sales... I don't see trucks over $10,000 US selling at all. It would be nice if a high volume site like MilWeb *did* post sale prices that would help tremendously. Every time a truck comes up on ebay I watch it. There were several in the last few months and they asked $20,000 (down from $60,000!!!) and $18,000. These were average non-winch trucks in average condition (the $60,000 was an ST-5 with a coffee shop in it) and the highest bids are topping out at $9,000. Less than half of asking. Even CCKWs listed in the MVPA's suppy line asking $12,000 don't sell. I agree that you can stumble across a chap with more money than time to restore a truck.... but I would consider these the exception... not the rule as anyone who has bought an MV knows that rarely are they 100% mechanically. By all means get what you can on the sale of the truck. If someone walks up and throws money at you, take it!!! But give me that same amount of money and I would want a much better truck.

Its not a 1939. The ACKW's didn't even start till 1940. CCKWs were 41. Please don't be turned off the terms I use.. they are meant to be descriptive, not derogatory. Going by current exchange rates 5500GBP is $8600USD. I would consider that the UPPER MOST, HIGHEST end of CCKW-salad trucks. Generally, unless there is something rare about the truck the range is £2500-£4000. Most people throw on a coat of paint expecting it to help the value... it doesn't. It signals a red flag to dig deeper. If the truck is WORTH the asking price, why need to paint it? Plus most paint is an effort to hide something, plus you are hoping your choice of color is what the buyer wants. If I want a different shade now I have to repaint.... and that means the truck is worth LESS to me. That said I really don't see ANY CCKW cargo truck (352-353, winch or not, MG Mount or not, closed or open cab) approaching £5000-£7000 unless its truly original, all the parts, or restored to museum quality. Most individuals are not capable of that level of work. It's not until you are into fully restored, all equipment present varients would I even consider anything over £8000. If its a fuel truck... pumps, hoses, filters, valves etc all need to be there. If its a shop van, repair, optical, I want to see grinders, tool bins etc. Very few trucks ever reach the level and they do command the price. I have seen a few fully equipped trucks, and I even know what they paid for them. Unless its armor, trucks rarely return the investment in time/material. CCKWs simply are not rare... unlike an origianl Shelby Cobra, or 'insert car name here'. It would be informative to see the cab, under the hood, etc. But my guess is that those photos will only bring the value down.. as its most likely not painted properly, or has the wrong bits. From the pictures its a 1608 cab (military gauges) as the mirror is on the cowl, not the door hinge. There also appears to be some major just issues on the tailgate, and lower, front engine shields. Wipers, steering wheel and black out light are also incorrect. That's about £500-£750 of corrections right there. Good luck on selling it.. get as much as you can for it... that way you can get another one.

After tearing into three MV's having extra bits left over seems to be the norm.... I could have made another truck (well, almost) with all the steel I've cut off my MVs. What I want to see is a video where they collect all the grease/grime from one MV into a pile. Then have it spring into life and walk away.

No, the actual fitting that goes through the frame... that you screw the brakes line into.