madrat Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Hi All, I have recently achieved my dream of purchasing a Scammell Pioneer, the vehicle (I don't think) has been ever registered on the road. Everything seamed to be going very well with getting paperwork to register it with the DVLA, then.... I read elsewhere in the forum about new maximum vehicle width regulations which would prevent any vehicle over 2.55m wide from being registered in the UK. The pioneer I think is 2.66m wide? Has this dream of mine turned into an expensive nightmare? :cry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TooTallMike Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 PM sent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Keep reading the posts on here mate - looks like I'm lined up to be the guinea pig :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 (edited) The Pioneer is a locomotive, (heavy loco if over 11,690 Kg U/W or a light Loco if between 7,320 and 11,690 Kg U/w) A locomotive is defined as a motor vehicle not constructed itself to carry a load other than equipment for propulsion, loose tools and loose equipment. The maximum permitted width under construction and use regs 1986 reg 8 for a locomotive is is 2.75 Metres, but a vehicle can be run under Special types general Orders above this width but advanced notification is required. You have no worries whatsoever. It is perfectly acceptable to register this vehicle. Edited May 23, 2008 by antarmike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Don't suppose you'd like to try getting the OT done for me then would you Mike??? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6 X 6 Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Sorry MadRat, it doesn't seem as though you can wriggle out of doing the restoration quite as easily as that. Looks like you're going to have to press on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Have you thought of sticking a crane on the back, or putting a stretcher in and calling it an ambulance? Vehicle built or modifed for the treatment or transport of casualties.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 (edited) I can't see that an OT 810 could be classed as a locomotive, it was clearly designed to carry troops and their weaopons. It cannot therefore go to 2.75M as a Pioneer can. It appears to me that it's maximum legal width would have to be 2.55Metres only. I am assuming the Pioneer is a Recovery vehicle, and not the Gun Tractor. The Gun Tractor is clearly designed to carry a gun crew and Ammunition and is therefore not a locomotive. The permitted width of a gun tractor would be 2.55 Metres (as I understand it) Edited May 24, 2008 by antarmike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 And thus we re-enter the nightmare again....... :cry: :cry: :cry: Oh well - just have to keep hammering away........ Be interesting to see what, if anything the MVT can come up with when we get back from our week away!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisu Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 (edited) Its starting to look bad regarding my future (dream) purchase plans Hope you guys get your vehicles registered somehow, there must be a way! Edited May 24, 2008 by Sisu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrat Posted May 24, 2008 Author Share Posted May 24, 2008 Guys, Thanks for all the words of wisdom (And all other comments). I have been described as 'loco' on many occasions so it would seam only fitting that the pioneer is registered as one! :-D The pioneer is indeed a recovery unit so it looks like I'm ok! Vehicle built or modifed for the treatment or transport of casualties.?Casualties such as DVLA officers that wont let me get it registered?! :argh: ArtistsRifles good luck with yours! Amazing vehicle although its your fault I got worried in the first place! :n00b: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 (edited) Heavy locomotive is a vehicle definition, it is not a taxation class. Your correct taxation class will be "Historic vehicle" The fact that it is a locomotive will be of no interst to swansea or the local DVLA office. Traffic police and Ministry inspectors (VOSA) are responsible to see that a vehicle conforms to C and U regs. It is not worth the confusion of even mentioning Heavy locomotives to the DVLA or it's representitives. They deal with taxation Classes not vehicle definitions. All you have to do to get it road registered as Historic vehicle is to give them absolute proof of it's age. If they choose to inspect it it will be to see the chassis number matches the documentation proving it's age, they will not be out with a tape measure to check it's width. It is not within their remit. Edited May 24, 2008 by antarmike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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