What are these cars, please?

[10FM68]

Here are two photographs of cars from WWII.  The first is of a car used by a British regiment in Italy in 1945.  I assumed it was Italian, note it is RHD, but, although it is similar to a Fiat, it isn't identical.  It is also similar to a French Delage, but, again, not identical.  Can anyone put me out of my misery?

The second is a car in use by HQ 21st Army Group.  It is a fairly important one, it's fitted with a star plate and pole for a pennant and is immediately behind one carrying Monty and the PM.  It has something on the roof making it look like a taxi, but I assume that will be a field-manufactured light-up 'priority' sign.  I can't decide whether it's British or captured - I suspect the former.  Clearly, it is polished, though muddy in the picture - note the chrome windscreen surround.  There is also a number plate under the bumper which may indicate requisitioned, but it seems a bit late for that in NWE 1944.  So again, any ideas, please?

Finally, just to give something back rather than be entirely on the take, I enclose this photo which I recently decoded.  Apparently it is a ... horse ambulance!  I wasn't expecting that!

Edited November 12, 2023 by 10FM68

[Rootes75]

The second car would be a Humber Pullman Limousine.

[MatchFuzee]

Doesn't give the make of car but a caption for the first photo:-

1st Battalion, King’s Own Royal Regiment, MT Driver and staff car, Italy, 1944-45. Marking on car indicates 56th London Division, so possibly as late as 1946.

From:-

http://www.kingsownmuseum.com/ko2603.htm

[10FM68]

Thank you Rootes 75.  Of course!  Quite why I didn't get that one I don't know, but it looks too narrow for such an imposing car - particularly when viewed with the Snipe in the foreground.  But, you're right, no doubt about it.  Thank you.

As for the first, thanks MF for the link to the regiment.  I had that info, but I didn't have that photo which is actually a bit clearer - note the 'CAP' in front of the census number and the emblem on the grille.  Still don't know what it is though.

Would people agree that this one is a Tatra 57 Kubel?

And can anyone tell me what this is?  The bustle boot at the rear suggests it isn't a Ford or Chevrolet.  I was thinking GM of some sort, but I'm not sure what.

And, finally, what do we make of this?  This photo, cropped, was used by Bart Vanderveen many years ago but it is interesting as the Brit is unarmed, the driver appears to be German and the staff cars in the background are also German with another, apparently German or two, tending them.  So, is the Brit a POW or are the Germans POWs and running a car service for a British HQ? It was taken in North Africa I am sure, but under what circumstances?

Edited November 13, 2023 by 10FM68

[Niels v]

this is a 1938 Ford Delux Phaeton

and these two are Chevrolets and a Horch/Opel/Wandere on the fare left 

see Another Umbau-wagen? - MLU FORUM (mapleleafup.net)

 

[10FM68]

33 minutes ago, Niels v said:

this is a 1938 Ford Delux Phaeton

and these two are Chevrolets and a Horch/Opel/Wandere on the fare left 

 

see Another Umbau-wagen? - MLU FORUM (mapleleafup.net)

 

Many thanks, Niels, yes, after all it is a Ford.  I do find identifying late 30s/early 40s cars quite tricky (as you can tell).  Thank you also for identifying the German Chevrolets - I had the Wanderer/Horch/Opel Kubel, but wasn't sure whether the other two were German Fords or something else.  So, back to the Italian job - any ideas?

[10FM68]

Another interesting photo I had in my collection - thanks to Shutterstock, whom I acknowledge:

A straightforward Guy Quad - no issues there, but I do wonder what the RTR sergeant is up to.  I hope he isn't about to drive away - not with that, what appears to be, large wooden signboard stuck inside his rear wheelarch!

As for the Italian car - Lancia Aprilia or Alfa Romeo, so far, any takers?

[Niels v]

17 hours ago, 10FM68 said:

Another interesting photo I had in my collection - thanks to Shutterstock, whom I acknowledge:

A straightforward Guy Quad - no issues there, but I do wonder what the RTR sergeant is up to.  I hope he isn't about to drive away - not with that, what appears to be, large wooden signboard stuck inside his rear wheelarch!

As for the Italian car - Lancia Aprilia or Alfa Romeo, so far, any takers?

I would say the Lancia, as the badge sits down in the grill, 

[Rootes75]

Yes, the Alfa badge sits at the top of the grill and the Alfa script is usually lower down on the left side of the grill. 

[10FM68]

Thank you both for your contribution, I am most grateful.  Yes, I think the Lancia has it!  So, that's cleared up a couple of anomalies for me, thank you.